Sun Coral dieing - Help!

Hello all

Need some advice please, I purchased a Sun Coral from Live Aquaria this week, arrived on Wednesday.

Anyway since its been in my Red Sea Max none of the polups have come out and its now starting to deteriate around the edges of the heads of the Sun Coral.

My nitrates are a little high and I am doing 15 to 20% water changes...well today was my first! My ammonia and PH and Nitrites are normal.

Any ideas what I am doing wrong or what I can do to fix it please?

Thanks all

Stuart
 
Nitrates need to come down. Also these guys open at night after lights go out and need to be target fead. Brine or cyclops.
Where is it placed in the tank?
Do you know phosphate level?
How long has tank been up and running?
How much LR and LS?
Whats used for water movement?
 
Hello

No oppitunity to feed it as yet as I have not spotted it open, tanks been running 8 months but only had fish in it for about a month now...had a cleanup crew in it for about 6 months.

Its located at the bottom of the tank and I glued to rock so no sand got on it..its not in direct light.

Phosphate level not sure will test for it tomorrow. Live rock, not sure about 40lbs in my Red Sea Max I belive...its pretty full up!

Water movement is pretty good, got 2 power heads on the right pointing up and down and a Tunze Nanostream moving water around the front of the tank.

Live stock is 1 Royal Gramma
1 Firefish
1 Watchman Goby
2 Perc Clowns
1 Hawkfish

1 BTA
Cleanup crew, lost count but a load of Nas Snails, 3 Konch, Hermits Blue and Red, Bloodshrimp, Cleaner, Pom Pom crab and Emerald Crab.

Regarding the Nitrates how do you think I should deal with it? I did 1 20% water change today...should I keep doing it each day till it goes down again? Anything else I should try doing?

Thank you

Stuart
 
The sun coral opens only at night in most cases. Look in your tank about 4 hours after lights go out and he should be open. You can target feed with a turkey baster or just move some cyclops around him and he will feed.

Now for nitrate.
What type of substrate and depth?
Water source?
Tank size?
Stock?

Go in your profile and under tank add as much info as possible. Size , time , lights,Ro/DI unit, Ect..
 
When I first got mine it was the same way, it was receding around the top edges. I moved it into a shaded area and it helped it a lot, I would shoot mysis and silversides juice around the the heads and the polyps finally started to come out. Now it's doing great, I feed it tons of mysis shrimp every 2 days.
 
Hi again

OK it was a live sand I remember that, about 3 bags did it for me. Its about 2.5" deep from my LFS but I can't think of the name it was a well known brand though.

Tank is a Red Sea Max Nano at 34g, see my post above for stock levels.

Water is from a RO unit, did a Nitrate test on it just to make sure it wasn't causing any problems and 0 Nitrates as you would expect!

Thanks

Stuart
 
I agree, you have to target feed each polyp. The easy way to do this is to get a glass large enough to cover the whole coral. Lift the glass up slightly(the easy way is to use a suringe)and sprey the food out of the surings into the glass, set the glass down. Leave the coral, the food and the glass alone for say an hour. The coral will feed.
 
You might have jumped the gun getting this coral. That said, many people feed these corals by taking them out of the tank and putting them in a bowl of good saltwater and then feeding them in this bowl.
 
These coral are very durable and so long as there is still tissue in the skeletal head, recovery of a weakened polyp is usually possible. I have had a black sun coral, in addition to an orange one for years now, that was given to me with so little tissue left that I thought it would be impossible to recover from having been ignored and not fed at a fishstore that they gave it to me because they know it was doomed there. It's now fine, though the black ones, in my experience, aren't quite as hardy as the orange or yellow ones are.

It sounds like you're doing all the right things with water quality being your first goal. But, whatever the readings are at this point...and you should continue to do the water changes, etc....IMO, you need to coax the coral into eating so that it can generate tissue and not deteriorate further. While it's generally the case that they open at night, if they become comfortable and start thriving in your reef, they will open up at any time of day, so long as they sense that there is food in the water column.

I'd start out, though, trying to coax your sun coral into eating in the evenings at first because they are most comfortable that way. There are different ways of doing this...Mine would always respond to Cyclopeeze being in the water. It doesn't matter if it's frozen or freeze-dried...once Cyclopeeze is in the water and they detect it (by some sense, maybe smell) they begin to open. Once you see the heads opening, cut off the water flow in the tank. I find that using a turkey baster to place chopped mysis shrimp and/or Cyclopeeze onto the open polyps is the best way to apply the food, which is rapidly ingested by the open polyps.

It is important to protect the coral while it is ingesting the food from fish and other creatures like shrimp that will make every effort to steal away the food before the coral has a chance to completely ingest it. You can just use the turkey baster to chase them from it or put some kind of protecting cover over it like a glass or glass jar, like blown mentioned, for a while.

Your efforts to correct all water quality problems should show good results soon, Florida, and getting food into the sun coral is very important at this stage as you know. So, try the Cyclopeeze if you can, otherwise use sometkhing like chopped mysis which it should also respond to, then use the turkey baster and you should see positive result pretty quickly.
 
Thank you Avi and all so much for your reply,

Last night after my last post I did try and stay up after my lights went off at Midnight to see the heads up and at 1.30am they were starting too but I couldn't stay awake any longer so I set my alarm for 3am and had frozen food on defrost ready but it didn't work they heads had come and gone fast by the looks of it.

If I was to turn my lights off early say 9pm and wait will the heads still come out a couple of hours after that for me to feed them...or do these guys watch the clock on the wall across the room from my tank :)

ok so 20% water changes to continue till we rid the Nitrates, np, your right I think I did jump the gun with this coral...I should have waited and not stocked it so fast! Nitrates where 0 the week before!

The water source from RO has 0 Nitrates.

Will order some Cyclopeeze first thing!

Thank you.
 
you can actually feed it anytime. Like someone stated use a large enough bowl to put the suncoral in and use mysis shrimp. The way i feed mine is i use a syringe and a piece af stiff airline to target feed each polyp. i do this every other day and feed it heavily. this will help to strengthen it back up to par. After it looks healthy again you can feed it in your tank but be sure to use something to cover it up so others wont grab the food.I think melev has a great vid of him feeding his suncoral
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11291760#post11291760 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Floridaideal
If I was to turn my lights off early say 9pm and wait will the heads still come out a couple of hours after that for me to feed them...or do these guys watch the clock on the wall across the room from my tank :)

You could try that to see if the coral is able to detect that there isn't any light around it and so open its polyps. Sun Corals aren't photosynthetic at all, so I don't know if the have the ability to sense light around them, but it may be that they can. It more likely is a combination of time of day and sensing food nearby. I'd be interesting to see how yours does with this test.

Shortly after you do turn off the lights at, say, 9:00 p.m., put some Cyclopeeze as described before into the water and that may also prompt it to open up its polyps. If they do open up at a time more manageable for you whatever the reason that it does, go ahead and target feed them. In the beginning, I'd recommend that you do that every day so that the coral can recover its vigor. Once it's healthy, then once a week...maybe twice, if you feel like it, is enough.
 
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