t-5 or t-12

bizzleb01

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What's the real difference between the two and which would you prefer? Also will an ice cap 660 work for both of them?
 
a t5 is 5/8" wide and t12 is 12/8" wide. T5 being narrower makes more use out of reflectors as well as you get more bulbs across your tank. I am surprised at the question

An Icecap 660 can drive either VHO - but you get more bang for your buck with T5 either way
 
I know that t-5's are a smaller bulb, but are they more energy efficient and cheaper or something? I'm only looking to get about 400w of light from a lighting system, but I'm done with pc. I'm not keeping sps or anything so 400w is fine for my setup.
 
And what do you mean more bang for your buck? If you have four 110w t-12 and four 110w t-5 won't you get the same light output? I'm new to vho and ho lighting so if I sound stupid sorry. Can you still only run four 48" t-5's off of one 660?
 
I am new to the reef hobby so I hope I don't come off as foolish but have two t5 54w bulbs on my 55 gal tank. Will that be enough light to run a reef. If not how much do you suggest.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15553388#post15553388 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bizzleb01
And what do you mean more bang for your buck? If you have four 110w t-12 and four 110w t-5 won't you get the same light output? I'm new to vho and ho lighting so if I sound stupid sorry. Can you still only run four 48" t-5's off of one 660?

yes, you can still only run 4 bulbs off 1 icecap 660, and yes, you get more light output from t5s of equal wattage

t5s are narrower, which means the reflectors can reflect the light around the bulb and into the tank much more efficiently. a t12 is so thick that the reflector reflects much of the light back through the bulb. t5s with individual reflectors increase the light something like 3x. So you get more light, and deeper penetration.

T5s are much more popular so you have many more bulb choices and higher PAR bulbs. There is nothing T12 does that T5 does not do as well or better, the reverse cannot be said
 
Thank you very much for your info. It is helpful and will help me make my decision. I guess that's why my lfs doesn't have reflectors on their t-12.
 
Do they make 60" or 72" T5 bulbs? If not, if you have a 6' tank than that means 2 sets of T5 bulbs to span the length of the tank as opposed to just one T12. If getting lots of light isn't a major requirement, the cost savings of 1/2 the electronics and 1/2 the number of bulbs to replace may be worth considering. Sure a 6' T12 isn't the same cost as a 3' T5 but it's not twice the cost either.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15557306#post15557306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dsun
Do they make 60" or 72" T5 bulbs? If not, if you have a 6' tank than that means 2 sets of T5 bulbs to span the length of the tank as opposed to just one T12. If getting lots of light isn't a major requirement, the cost savings of 1/2 the electronics and 1/2 the number of bulbs to replace may be worth considering. Sure a 6' T12 isn't the same cost as a 3' T5 but it's not twice the cost either.

yes, they make 60" T5. 72" no, but a lot of people do retros 1 size smaller, say 48" on a 60" tank, and then stagger the bulbs so the whole tank gets coverage. The only time light isn't a requirement is on a FOWLR tank, and I don't think we would be talking about VHO or options like that if it were FOWLR

I have a splash shield so my T5s are about 3 1/2" over the water
 
I wouldn't worry too much about staggering the lamps or even using 60". You may find yourself looking for shaded areas after going to T-5. I went with 6- 60" over a 72" (18" deep) tank using Ice Cap reflectors and ballasts leaving 6" at each end with no lamp directly above. It is still too bright for some LPS, Monties and other low light corals at the ends of the tank.
 
How high is too high to mount them over my 90g (24" high). I want to build a new hood and it would put my lights about 10-12" off of the tank, is this too high for good light penetration?
 
Ok, another question. What's the highest wattage 48" t-5 bulbs? I was just told that 54w was highest they made, and if that's the case i'll only have 216w for my 90g which is less than I have now with pc.
 
u cant look at wattage between pcs and t5s. pcs are apple and t5s are oranges. theres no comparison. oranges kick the #(@# out of apples! the light output on a t5 is a little better than on pcs, also with the individual reflectors, light is better reflected, meaning NO light is wasted going back into the bulb, or elsewhere. there was a test done that ran 3 t5 bulbs with individual reflectors and 4 bulbs with a single reflector covering the all. the 3 bulb had HIGHER par output. a icecap660 will drive the 54watts to 80 watts.
i have 6x54 watt on my 75 and i can keep sps anywhere
 
There is nothing T12 does that T5 does not do as well or better, the reverse cannot be said


There is one application where those who know the difference will choose T-12.

When using an actinic bulb. Using a real actinic bulb, many will choose the t-12 over t-5 because it just has more power. Actinic bulbs are not for PAR but are used for color and the most power you can get is with T-12.
 
Ok, so they do make an 80w t-5 then? Also, I keep seeing and hearing about PAR, what is it?

I know I sound really dumb by asking these questions, but I really don't know much about tank lighting (obviously)
 
i think reefgeek has 80 watt t-5s.

good reflectors and cooling (fans) will increase par substantially.

high par - sps, clams, some lps
med par - lps, zoas, rics, softies
lower par - some shrooms... sun coral...

do a search on par. you'll find plenty to read
 
80 watt T5s are standard. They are either 60" T5 HO bulbs, or 54" T5 bulbs overdriven (VHO) by an Icecap ballast
 
a 54 watt t5 bulb can be driven to 80 watts. URI /UVLclaims there bulbs can be STABELY driven to 80 watts. they make on there bulbs v-ho V being variable. it also says 54/80

PAR is the AVAILIBLE ammount of USEFULL light to plants and possibably corals. it hasnt been PROVEN that corals use the same spectrums for PAR, but having a high par hasent been a bad thing in a reef tank.
 
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