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freddie40

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Recently I have lost 11 clams. I have tried to analyze what could have been the cause and the best scenario I can come up with is my choice of T5 bulbs.

In February I decided that I wanted to try and mimic a 20K MH spectrum with my T5s. So, I put in 5 Blue+ (3 overdriven) and 1 Pro Color (overdriven). I really liked the color and the par was impressive. Within 2 months the clams started dying, many within a short time period. I figure that the spectrum of the blue + is missing colors above 500nm and that the Pro Color does not have enough par to make up for this. Clams are shallow water creatures (less than 10 meters) and the choice of bulbs that I had were more for deeper water creatures. To make things worse my nitrates are very low, futher starving the clams.

My LPS loved the choice of bulbs (Really love it), and the colors of my SPS were good, but there was just not enough good light for the clams on my sandbed.

As for choice of bulb colors, Dana Riddle in this aricle writes that ATI AquaBlue is the color of the Ocean at a depth of 10 meters.

Going with this theory I have changed my lighting to this. From front to back Blue+, AquaBlue, Pro Color, AquaSun, AquaBlue and Blue+ (All bulbs are made by ATI). The Blue+ bulbs are my Dusk to dawn and are balanced out by the Aquasun during the day. The Pro Color was used because the LPS seem to react better to this bulb. The color is probably about a 15k look and is close to what the AquaBlue look like, so lets say reasonably close to what the ocean looks like at 10 meters. The AquaSun was chosen to balance out the Blue+ plus to give more par of the SPS in the back of the tank.

It has only been a week since I made this switch so I don't have any real conclusions. My only purpose of this thread is to warn others about using the color combo that probably harmed my clams.

Dave
 
By AquaSun I really meant Sun Pro by ATI, not sold anymore. Geisemann makes a 6000k Midday Sun that would work in it's place. My bad for saying the wrong name.

Dave
 
I guess i should put my 10k on my temp holding tank. it only has 460nm and 420nm bulbs on it right now. my clams look good, but better safe than sorry. so were you just running 5-460nm and 1-6000k?
 
I was running 5-450nm and a pro color which is a bulb that had a lot of color in the very deep red range. Not the same as a 6000k.

Dave
 
yeah kind of a tight spectrum with either combo. once i put my 10k on i did notice a little bit of discoloration on my larger crocea. are you running any 420nm now. i found when i added one a couple months ago, before tank move started, everything looked better. even though the bulbs dont do much for us looks wise, still good for the corals.
 
Hey Dave,

Were they all Croceas and/or Maximas?

Does it make sense to post this to the RC Clam Forum to see what the Tridacna 'experts' think?
 
I did post it to the clam forum, very little response.

Of the 11 that died, 2 very small Maximas, 5 Croceas that I had for years, 2 Newer Croceas, 2 newer Deresas.

Dave
 
Dave,

Please excuse my ignorance but I am totally curious as I have used your system as a reference in my T5 set-up. I was actually planning on switching to a T5 set-up of Aquablue and Blue Plus with Actinics and ProColor as a modification of the Portugese Frag System (Thread of the Month).

The wavelength of the lighting and the loss seem like a highly likely explanation. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that it was the lighting but I am fascinated by the loss (but sorry for your loss) and would really like to understand as much as possible.

Did you find any corresponding literature?

Was there any warning signs for such a sudden die-off? Was it sudden?
Would starvation hit that quickly and all at once?
Could the lack of sufficient wavelength have starved/weakened the clams and a bacterial infection struck?
Did the Derasas die last?

Would you mind providing the chain of events and a bit more to the story?
 
Here's more of the story:

I switched to 1 Actinic 4 Blue+ and 1 pro color in late Jan. By early feb I had 5 Blue+ and 1 pro color.
In Early February I introduced the 2 maximas. One died after 1 day, 1 after about a month. On March 15 my largest and oldest Crocea spawned. Within a week it died. Within a few weeks the other 4 croceas died. Being stupid I replaced the clams, the croceas dying quicker than the deresas.

Starvation is the best answer that I can come up with. Not only was there a lack of nutrients, but the choice of lamps MAY have slowly starved them. Today I removed 1/2 of my xenia to help keep nutients in the water.

So, either they starved to death or one of the 2 maximas I introduced came with a disease that killed off the others.

As for the color spectrum, 3 Blue Special and 3 blue plus is good. I am not using Pro Color or Actinics in my system today.

Dave
 
Do you have clams now and how long after the die-off did you put them in there?

Was there any fading prior to death or other indication of ill-health?

Thanks for the infor. and heads-up!
 
I have 2 deresas and they are alive. 1 was closed most of the day but is open now.

I am not a huge clam expert so I can't say exactly as for indications of ill health. I do know that the fish nip at the shells, but not the mantles. This may stress the clams. There was no fading of colors.

Dave
 
did you check them for parasites? i cant remember the snail but they could easily have come in on one or two of the clams and wiped them out.
 
Michael,

After reading the Thread of the month I have decided to run 4 aquablues and 2 blue+. Another good combo would be 3 aquablue and 3 Blue+. I want the growth so that is why I chose the first combo.

Dave
 
i might also suggest a sixline/fourline/mystery wrasse(Pseudocheilinus family) if you are going to keep that many clams. good for keeping them safe.
 
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