TDS of 15 = Poor Polyp Extension, Color, and Growth??

Zstriker

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The last 2-3 months I have driven myself crazy trying to figure out why my sps corals lack color, have minimal polyp extension, and lack growth.

In fact, it has been quite strange, none of the corals are going "brown" but they also don't appear faded/bleached either. It looks as if almost the coral tissue is just thinning....hard to explain....my corals simply look grayish with thin tissue, and minimal polyps.

Anyways, I have tried to eliminate all possible issues, my dosing (alk/ca/mag) is consistent (went through test kits for several weeks), weekly waterchanges, bought multiple thermometers to double check my controller, attempted massive waterchanges, ran carbon, check ammonia/nitrates/phosphates, fed more, fed less, raise light, lower light, check potassium, checked pH, etc...the list goes on. Anyways, I really couldn't pinpoint any major discrepancies and no intervention seems to work/help.

I even checked my RODI water as it has been some time since I replaced the filters, but got a TDS reading of 0. Weeks pass and I am still struggling with my tank. So I decide to see if my test kits/test equipment is failing. I check the TDS of my tap water and it reads 2 ppm!! So my tester is faulty, ordered a new one and it came today in the mail. I eagerly tested my TDS and it gave me a reading of 15 ppm from my RODI unit, around 300ish from the tap.

Now, before I get excited and think - just replace my filters and do a few water changes with the new fresh 0 ppm water and my corals will rebound - is this really my problem? Do you guys think 15 ppm TDS from my water is really bad enough to cause my SPS troubles? Any of you experience problems in your tank and found it to be your RODI water? If so, what were the coral symptoms?

I guess I am hopeful I have finally found the problem, but then again, no matter what I have done, my corals don't thrive. They survive, and some do okay, but I would really like them thriving again! Hopefully this is it!

Sorry for the novel, thanks for any input!
 
It would depend on what the composition of the 15ppm of TDS is. To answer your question, it could be causing your problem.
 
Without knowing what that 15ppm is composed of there is no way to judge its effect. Ammonia is one of the most likely to be released first from exhausted DI resin. That could pose a problem especially in an area that uses high concentrations of chloramines in their water treatment. It is definitely a good place to start.
 
15 ppm is nothing, take it from a reverse osmosis specialist, there are a lot of other factors that would make your corals seem unhappy, light, flow, food, pests, the big MAC (mag, alkalinity, calcium), high phosphate, low phosphate, high nitrates, low nitrates, animals picking on them, and the lsit goes on, personally my r/o gives me 30 ppm and have been using it like that for several years, changed the membrane once and the filters every 6 months, good luck

Sana
 
15 ppm is nothing

I wouldn't agree. Is it 15ppm nitrates? Doubt your corals would be happy. Is it 15ppm phosphates? I doubt your corals would be thriving? 15ppm ammonia may be processed fine when the water is used for ATO but larger water changes may stress the system. These are the most likely substances to be released from exhausted DI resin. I wouldn't say it must be the issue but if I would absolutely eliminate the possibility.
 
Like i said its nothing, 15 ppm could be other salts and minerals, rule of thumb if you can drink the water than its good enough for your corals, and as for nitrates and PO4 they are always present in your tank, when you feed, when fishes poo, etc, but if it makes you happy then bring it down to zero ppm, and if it fixes the problem then great, but if it doesnt then start looking at my other suggestions, good luck

Sana
 
The last 2-3 months I have driven myself crazy trying to figure out why my sps corals lack color, have minimal polyp extension, and lack growth.

In fact, it has been quite strange, none of the corals are going "brown" but they also don't appear faded/bleached either. It looks as if almost the coral tissue is just thinning....hard to explain....my corals simply look grayish with thin tissue, and minimal polyps.

Anyways, I have tried to eliminate all possible issues, my dosing (alk/ca/mag) is consistent (went through test kits for several weeks), weekly waterchanges, bought multiple thermometers to double check my controller, attempted massive waterchanges, ran carbon, check ammonia/nitrates/phosphates, fed more, fed less, raise light, lower light, check potassium, checked pH, etc...the list goes on. Anyways, I really couldn't pinpoint any major discrepancies and no intervention seems to work/help.

While I would keep up on your RO/DI system I would guess your problem lies elsewhere as well. I think we both agree if you went through all the changes listed above in that short timeframe I don't think you can draw meaningful conclusions. Especially with regards to changing your lighting and feeding routines. You need to change one thing at a time and observe for at least a couple weeks, without changing anything else. With lighting changes I would wait a solid month before assuming it had or had not helped, again while changing nothing else.
 
I would look towards the lights (kind, bulb oldness, etc) and for polyp picking fish before I would worry about 15 TDS.

I usually change my stuff around 10-15 TDS and I am very happy with my tank.

What kind of lights are you using and what are your exact phosphate, nitrate, calicum, alk, mag and salinity?
 
rule of thumb if you can drink the water than its good enough for your corals

Sana

I just killed all my coral and fish. Turns out the couldn't live in tap water mixed at 1.025. Buti drink it all the time!!!

:eek2:
 
Thanks all - well, perhaps it may not be beneficial doing some water changes with 0 ppm water (from what it sounds like, my problem is likely else where)....so in the mean time, I will just drain my auto top off reservoir and then add fresh 0 ppm RODI to it. I also threw a poly-filter in the sump, just in case some metals have been getting in the water.

As for the other questions-

Phosphates- 0.02 (Hanna, Green Egg)
Nitrates - 0 (API, ya i know)
Salinity - 1.026
Temp - 77.2
Alk - 7.8 dkh
Ca - 410
Mag - 1350
Livestock: Powder Brown, Manderin, Clown, Turbo Snails, Conch

As mentioned - when initially checking these 2-3 months back, things weren't perfect, but have been stable the last several weeks.

As for lighting - I run a MH/t5 combo, Giesemann Spectra - Dual 250 watt radiums (bulbs 1 month old), 2 ATI Blue Plus, 1 True Actinic, 1 Purple Plus.

I was hoping it was the TDS reading that was causing my grief, but sounds like you guys think it is something else! Guess I will keep trying to improve the tank as best I know how. It is hard not to try and act quick when each day I view the corals and know they are not happy.
 
just fyi - I live in a duplex, that is a very VERY old home that has been divided....I worry that the old pipes I am obtaining water from would have some iron and other metals, as our shower, sinks, etc. are constantly getting plugged due to hard water deposits....also the shower turns orange relatively quickly....just more justification that I hopefully found the problem (sigh...)
 
I just killed all my coral and fish. Turns out the couldn't live in tap water mixed at 1.025. Buti drink it all the time!!!

:eek2:

Well the thing is i live in mexico and tap water is not good to drink, even tough i do it, jeje well sometimes, so understanding that i should have been clearer, any water that passes thru an r/o and gives you a tds higher than 0 ppm and lower than 50 ppm that is what we call purified water then is good enough to drink, and is good enough for your corals..

If you like you can bring it down to 0 ppm and dont do any changes to the tank, leave it alone for a month, see how it reacts, after years with my tank and dealing with sps the 3 most important thing to keep at good levels are alk, good lighting and low PO4, some may differ but for me that has worked, some may say flow, magnesium levels, calcium levels, potassium, good skimmer etc etc, so good luck and hope your corals get better

Sana
 
Thanks all - well, perhaps it may not be beneficial doing some water changes with 0 ppm water (from what it sounds like, my problem is likely else where)....so in the mean time, I will just drain my auto top off reservoir and then add fresh 0 ppm RODI to it. I also threw a poly-filter in the sump, just in case some metals have been getting in the water.

As for the other questions-

Phosphates- 0.02 (Hanna, Green Egg)
Nitrates - 0 (API, ya i know)
Salinity - 1.026
Temp - 77.2
Alk - 7.8 dkh
Ca - 410
Mag - 1350
Livestock: Powder Brown, Manderin, Clown, Turbo Snails, Conch

As mentioned - when initially checking these 2-3 months back, things weren't perfect, but have been stable the last several weeks.

As for lighting - I run a MH/t5 combo, Giesemann Spectra - Dual 250 watt radiums (bulbs 1 month old), 2 ATI Blue Plus, 1 True Actinic, 1 Purple Plus.

I was hoping it was the TDS reading that was causing my grief, but sounds like you guys think it is something else! Guess I will keep trying to improve the tank as best I know how. It is hard not to try and act quick when each day I view the corals and know they are not happy.

How long had you had the corals, were they colored and the. Faded in your tank, how old is your tank, triple check with other kits your parameters, running a polyfilter is good especially if copper might be in tank or other metal, look reallly closely at sps and see if there are no pests like redbugs and AEFW, check alk everyday for a couple of weeks see if there is a spike, alk tends to burn skin on coral if its to high or a BIG fluctuation, i could go on, lol

Sana
 
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