The cost of being environmentally conscious

I wonder how toxic and carbon intensive it is to produce and dispose of solar panels... All this stuff is impossible to know until it's too late. We're going to have an impact no matter what. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for trying but with stories like this, who knows what the ultimate impacts will be?
 
Wow, we need to build a huge algae scrubber at the mouth of the Miss river!

I wonder how many of the compact florescent bulbs are being tossed into landfills and they are going to be outlawing the regular old bulbs. I don't think there's been enough education to tell people those new bulbs have lead and will pollute the drinking water from a landfill.
 
This planet is comprised of an immensely complex set of living and non-living systems . These systems are all linked together in obvious and not so obvious ways. Whether at the atomic or molecular level or in more concrete abstracts, the laws of thermodynamics apply. For every cause there is some effect that takes place. We only need look at our tanks to know this to be true. The physical relationship of light, specific chemical water characteristics, aeration, water movement, temperature, the biological relationship of zooxanthellae, coral, bacteria, macro and micro organisms, etc., etc. are all tied together.

Problems occur when there is a lack (or failure) of understanding the complexity and interdependent relationship of all things. An example from Scientific American: In India and South Asia the population of 3 species of vultures has fallen by 97% since the 1990's. It was recently determined that the vultures are dying because an anti-inflammatory drug commonly given to cattle, causes renal failure in the vultures. The result is that the carcasses of dead cattle normally plucked clean by the vultures now sit rotting, and are now consumed by feral dogs. So the the feral dog population has exploded, and with it, the threat of rabies.

So back to MrMikeB's article. It's another situation where we initially failed to understand the effects from the cause of increases in corn production. We failed to understand the complexity and interdependent relationship of nutrient loading from a physical and biological perspective. It is imperative that if we want our oceans and reefs to survive, we must determine what are the causes of destruction (as in this case), and try to develop solutions that take into account the whole picture, rather than looking at just quick fixes which may make little or no difference.

I would also ask the question of those who are enthusiastic about ethanol from corn. What is the overall energy return from converting corn to enthanol, and what are the overall effects? To grow the corn, a farmer uses machinery run on petroleum based products. The fertilizer he uses is made from petroleum based products. The herbicides and pesticides used on the corn are made from petroleum based products. The harvesters are all run on petroleum based products. The corn is then transported, which takes petroleum based products. The plant that converts the corn to ethanol, probably also uses petroleum based products. We are using a lot of petroleum based products to make a petroleum based product...So did we really think this through?

MandM, unfortunately the new compact florescent bulbs all have mercury in them. Someone needs to develop a recycling facility to reclaim the mercury or we are going to end up with another potential problem in the future. Yes, one bulb doesn't have much, but multiply it by hundreds of thousands or millions, and the situation is much different.
 
Right on Michael!



What I find even more fascinating than the web that binds us is that there is the driving force of the market and $$$. With Ethanol, it is obviously getting much more notoriety and use because the cost of petroleum based products has soared as of late. Good 'ol supply and demand at its finest. So even with all the processing of corn, it is still becoming more cost effective to use it or the market would not have a demand for it. Lets face it - people want what they need as cheap as possible. So when petroleum increases, it spurs interest in other options that were once too 'expensive' otherwise.



Linking this back to our hobby, I feel it a matter of time before the importation of corals and other marine life for ornamental use (e.g. non consumption) is so chock full of bureaucratic and/or legal red tape that the cost will dramatically increase. What causes this could be a number of things - from conservation efforts, less supply, increased costs of collecting, etc. I think this will lead us at a macro level to pursue more viable options like captive raising, aquaculturing, etc. where the costs associated with going this route has traditionally been higher than importation.



Enough of my crystal ball... its clear as mud!
 
Shipping is what will hurt import, not red tape (on the US side at least). It's up to the country of origin really. The importers that are complaning about todays regs fail to see that those regs have been on the books for a LONG time, they just haven't been enforced with such diligences as now a days. The attempts by the house and congress all have failled to gain any real support (I follow every attempt)

PNG is leading the way in MO. They are forming a MO industry there, but doing it right. All divers will be trained in proper safety, best collection practices and what not to take. Certain animals are out right banend from export, ones that are unsuitable for aquaria. Also, no wild coral, only farmed. They also have Total Catch Limits for al speices and transects are required to prove the take is sound.
 
I believe that no matter how deeply we ponder our actions, we'll never be able to predict their full impacts. Chaos reigns.
 
I think you may be right Kev - We do not see beyond the choices we don't understand Neo. :lol:

But it sure is fun to try - the core of sound investing principals, predicting impact and effects. Just think of the shortage of shrimp for this years' Mardi Gras from this blasted Ethanol. Ced's jambalaya dish is gonna cost a lot more than usual! Is it a matter of time before we see an Ethanol surcharge fees - akin to the gas surcharge popping up all over the place?
 
I concurr that it isn't always possible to fully fathom the outcome of an event. There are sometimes just to many variables and parameters to take into account a particular action. Predicting the weather is an example that comes to mind.

That said, I feel that we sometimes choose to make decisions not based on all the facts that we have at hand. Choosing an easier set of choice/s based more on desire or immediate need without going the extra mile to look at longer term reprocussions.
 
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