the crocea plague read this Very important

cutsupremetrib

In Memoriam
well Ive had my gorgeous crocea for around six months i noticed yesterday a large orange bristle worm crawling towards it with half of it embedded where the foot had itself mounted on the rockwork this clam was very healthy and had some good growth to but i believe the culprit to be this bristle worm the clam ended up on the sandbed last night and i woke up to the foot being completely destroyed I picked the clam up to see the destruction as i knew what caused it that darn bristle worm as i picked up the clam i noticed the entire foot was gone and i could see all the way through the mouth or watever u call that hole in the top of the clam I thought for sure it was dead but it started moving WOW its still alive so i placed it back in the sand and prayed today i noticed the inerds of it attached to my seio so yeah it died just a warning to you people out there that like bristle worms they just cost me about a 70 dollar clam lol so beware
 
im sorry to here that. bristle worms dont have the mouth parts to feed on healthy clams,fish or what ever. if the clam was in ill health and starting to rot(they can still look fine from the top, but be close to death) then the bristle worm was only cleaning up. if the clam was healthy then it most likely was a fireworm(not very common),like this.

 
I agree with the fireworm comment. I have birstle worms and they never bother clams. They have ample supply of sediments to forage onto.
 
I also agree about the bristleworms probably not killing your clam, just cleaning up. Sorry about your loss though. I used to have bristleworms on my crocea clam shell, just hidding in the small folds. Some times they would bother the mantle, causeing it to pinch slightly. Now the bristle worms are gone and the clam is alive and doing fine. So just cause you have bristleworms, doesn't mean that they will kill your clam.
 
i swear it was a bristle worm... i mean even if it just scootched through it then it would probably irritate the clam but i know it did have you guys ever grabbed a bristle worm
 
maybe the clam had shed mostly its foot and was about to start moving around, the bristle worm was probably just doing some early snacking
 
i disagree with these comments. i watched several bristleworms(not fireworms mind you---i am a biologist, i know the diff) eat through the botoom of my gigas and eat away at its gills. the clam was in perfect health and lived for another year after this attack. it only died after a crash resulting from moving the tank in the dead of winter
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6860715#post6860715 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jwalters103
i disagree with these comments. i watched several bristleworms(not fireworms mind you---i am a biologist, i know the diff) eat through the botoom of my gigas and eat away at its gills. the clam was in perfect health and lived for another year after this attack. it only died after a crash resulting from moving the tank in the dead of winter


bristleworms dont have the mouth parts to feed in that way. this is one of the oldest myths about clams (being eatin by bristleworms in this way). sorry but they just cant do it
 
Erm... croceas tend to be more vulnerable as their byssal opening is the largest of commonly kept Tridacnids. The bristleworm could definitely have wandered up the byssal opening to feed or scavenge... but there's very little possibility that it ate the clam. Often times they are mislabeled as being murderers because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sorry about your clam.
 
this has all be covered befor by Greenbean


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not to be ignorant---but you people are WRONG. bristleworms are scavengers in ideal conditions, but when they do not have enough to scavenge, they have to resort to other measures in order to eat.
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Well, sort of. The term bristleworms covers all of the polychaetes and they have all sorts of feeding habits, so you can't really make generalizations like that. It's kind of like me saying bristleworms are filterfeeders because tube worms are bristleworms too.

SOME bristleworms such as the eunicids are scavengers in good times but become predatory in lean times. However, that type of feeding is far from the norm with polychaetes. The vast majority are harmless regardless of how much food is available.

Amphinomids, aka fireworms (the ones with calcium bristles) are completely harmless with the exception of one coral eating species which is extremely rare in the hobby. Regardless of how little food there is or how large they get they are always scavengers. They find their food by smell and they do not recognize healthy tissue as food.

Recommending that people take out all the bristleworms they see is pretty ill-conceived IMO.

and again by Greenbean


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well then, why is it that i have observed firewoms eating healthy tissue?
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I think you would be hard pressed to show that the worm was an amphinomid and that the tissue was healthy. If you did, it would contradict years of research on these worms, and you would have some pretty groundbreaking research on your hands.


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In all reality, anything is possible as behaviors change in a captive situation.
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They can only change as much as physiology allows. Being in captivity doesn't change how they find food, which is by smell. If you were stripped of your senses except for smell and a much simpler sense of touch, I could let you loose in an apple orchard and you would starve to death surrounded by potential food just because you have no way of knowing it's there. It works the same way with fireworms. Decomposing animals give off characteristic compounds that these worms respond to. If those compounds aren't there the worms don't respond and don't eat.


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and to the best of my knowledge, the term bristleworm does not cover all polychate annelids, but the term polychaete annelids does cover all bristleworms.
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Polychaete translates to many bristles. It covers all bristleworms. The hobby didn't invent the term bristleworm.


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his reply was that a clam under 3" can be attacked by bristle worms even if its healthy(he has had it happen a few times but says it very rare in aquaria settings)
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No doubt there are some polychaetes that will go after healthy clams, but those will go after clams regardless of what size and none of them are fireworms. There are lots of things wrong with a statement like that. Chief among them is how in the world would he know that the clam was healthy? People assume you can look at animals and judge whether or not they are healthy, which isn't true in probably the majority of cases. There is no way to look at a clam externally and tell that it's healthy. They only make it clear sometimes that they are unhealthy before they die. Since he only thinks that the worms attack clams under 3'' that would suggest to me that the clams are starving to death. Under 3'' they don't make enough food from photosynthesis alone, and there is no outward sign that they are starving.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6861475#post6861475 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cutsupremetrib
great speach

thanks:rolleyes:

if you read it you will find that its not a speech by me, but quotes from a Biology student on how they feed. what they can and cant do
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6828422#post6828422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna
im sorry to here that. bristle worms dont have the mouth parts to feed on healthy clams,fish or what ever. if the clam was in ill health and starting to rot(they can still look fine from the top, but be close to death) then the bristle worm was only cleaning up. if the clam was healthy then it most likely was a fireworm(not very common),like this.

nasty i found one of these in my rock the other day it looked like a bristle worm on steroids.
i killed it but do you think i have more in my tank? :eek2: :hammer: :twitch:
 
I have a number of these fireworms in my tanks at my store...they never harm anything. They are huge (about as round as a cigar and can stretch out to over a foot long) and are in display tanks with sps, lps, softies, clams and fish. They are great scavengers and have "wow" power when customers get a glimpse of them.
 
Im not much on having anything in my tank that i dont know about although i know i have bristle worms although I know i dont have anything else because all my liverock i made myself from deadrock my corals all are started from frags and not much rock was included i have no snails and just a ton of blue leg hermits my tank runs almost completely on its own im glad i have done things this way it seems most people have problems with crabs and other things that come off of live rock
 
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