The Elegance Coral Project
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crpeck
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Oops! The post went before I was done....
Thanks SO much, Chris. $10 is awesome! That's really all we visualized when we started this project. Not to hit people up for big money, but if everyone gave a little ... well that just really means a lot as far as showing support. A little from a lot of people gets you to the same place as a lot from a few, but it's a better thing because more people are part of making things happen. It's late and I hope that all made sense.
Anyway ... you're right too about the payment info. I think it's too late to edit the first post so I'll post the info again.
First, the easiest way is to visit the website: www.reefobsession.com/ecp There are direct payment links there for PayPal as well as the address to send checks under the "contact" page on the site.
Otherwise .. for regular PayPal, the link is:
https://www.paypal.com/xclick/busin...outh.rr.com&no_note=1&tax=0¤cy_code=USD
For credit card payments, the link is:
https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=crpeck@midsouth.rr.com&no_note=1&tax=0¤cy_code=USD
For check or money order, mail to:
Elegance Coral Project
c/o Catherine Peck, CPA
6387 Brooks Manor Cove
Memphis, TN 38119
THANKS!
Cathy
Thanks SO much, Chris. $10 is awesome! That's really all we visualized when we started this project. Not to hit people up for big money, but if everyone gave a little ... well that just really means a lot as far as showing support. A little from a lot of people gets you to the same place as a lot from a few, but it's a better thing because more people are part of making things happen. It's late and I hope that all made sense.
Anyway ... you're right too about the payment info. I think it's too late to edit the first post so I'll post the info again.
First, the easiest way is to visit the website: www.reefobsession.com/ecp There are direct payment links there for PayPal as well as the address to send checks under the "contact" page on the site.
Otherwise .. for regular PayPal, the link is:
https://www.paypal.com/xclick/busin...outh.rr.com&no_note=1&tax=0¤cy_code=USD
For credit card payments, the link is:
https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=crpeck@midsouth.rr.com&no_note=1&tax=0¤cy_code=USD
For check or money order, mail to:
Elegance Coral Project
c/o Catherine Peck, CPA
6387 Brooks Manor Cove
Memphis, TN 38119
THANKS!
Cathy
>>Don't quit Eric. It takes time to build this and we haven't even taken the project outside of RC yet.<<
I'm not quitting. I felt that with out membership that RC could really be a force in th hobby and this sort of thing, like Ron's work and this proposed work, could be a regualr thing...real progress.
>>I think it would be good to post again in the General and Responsible Reefkeeping Forums with a fresh start ... just your initial post and information. This thread has gotten long and most people aren't going to wade through the whole thing. Maybe a reference to this one in case they want to.<<
OK, I'll split the thread.
>>So you have 4 healthy and one sick, right? So you need 1 - 4 more healthy and how many more sick to get started? <<
No, I have two healthy and three sick. I need three more healthy and 47 more sick.
>>It would help if RC could post an addendum on the Reefkeeping Mag article giving the info how to donate. The way it reads now is with you still saying you are in the process of setting up the fund and no information is given for how to donate.<<
Got it. I'll make the change.
>>Remind me what you need for corals and I'll start contacting online vendors.I was a few days too late seeing the post of your new elegance project. I bought one and within a month it went from Elegant to obsolete. It was a shame to see this happen, I would have never bought it had I know the issues. I had seen in a catalogue that these were ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œeasyââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ corals to keep. Hardly. I could not get mine to eat from day one. Once it started to recess. It only took two more days and it was gone. My ammonia levels shot up even though I had 0 nitrate, 0 nitrite, ph 8.2 and 5% water changes every week. Best wishes on the project.
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thanks..
>>I'm with Cathy! Don't give up! We have too much to gain with the hopeful completion of this project. I am still lighting a fire under Danny & Walt and hopefully will be getting some corals in the near future.
Like the others noted above, I would also be willing to put up whatever monies it takes to keep the project afloat. I also know that without the donated corals, this project will fail. But just take heart in knowing that many of us are with you and will keep working on obtaining the sick corals that you need for this study.
Hang in there and we will do the same, promise!! <<
Thanks...I will.
I would really like the original post with all pertinent information to get outside RC...like to rdo, wet web media,etc., if it is not there already.
If I had a dollar for every time I hear an hobbyist talk about how the reef hobby doesn't harm the reefs, and how we care about them, and how they want to conserve them. Well, this is a rare and overcollected coral that is dying en masse by our hand. No other significant source of mortality exists for Catalaphyllia in the wild that is known about. We are its predator.
I often tell people that "Hey, we hobbyists don't help reefs, and although we could, all the bad press we get is largely true because we take millions of corals every year and kill them - whether we mean to, or not." Best wishes aside, our net effect is negative. Things like this - giving back and not just taking - are the sort of concrete contributions that put more than words behind those claims.
Lunch money is great! Two dollars is great. One dollar is great. We don't need one hundred dollar contributions. We need care, compassion, and a desire to do something, and not major sacrifices of anything (except maybe the efforts of a few who have volunteered to do so (and you know who I mean).
I'm not giving up. But, I will not do this half-baked, either. If we don't reach a goal where something significant can be found, I am not going with what we have and providing meaningless results that just contribute to aquarium anecdote. That's a waste of the donated resources and a waste of effort by everyone....perhaps not least of all, my own.
I'm not quitting. I felt that with out membership that RC could really be a force in th hobby and this sort of thing, like Ron's work and this proposed work, could be a regualr thing...real progress.
>>I think it would be good to post again in the General and Responsible Reefkeeping Forums with a fresh start ... just your initial post and information. This thread has gotten long and most people aren't going to wade through the whole thing. Maybe a reference to this one in case they want to.<<
OK, I'll split the thread.
>>So you have 4 healthy and one sick, right? So you need 1 - 4 more healthy and how many more sick to get started? <<
No, I have two healthy and three sick. I need three more healthy and 47 more sick.
>>It would help if RC could post an addendum on the Reefkeeping Mag article giving the info how to donate. The way it reads now is with you still saying you are in the process of setting up the fund and no information is given for how to donate.<<
Got it. I'll make the change.
>>Remind me what you need for corals and I'll start contacting online vendors.I was a few days too late seeing the post of your new elegance project. I bought one and within a month it went from Elegant to obsolete. It was a shame to see this happen, I would have never bought it had I know the issues. I had seen in a catalogue that these were ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œeasyââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ corals to keep. Hardly. I could not get mine to eat from day one. Once it started to recess. It only took two more days and it was gone. My ammonia levels shot up even though I had 0 nitrate, 0 nitrite, ph 8.2 and 5% water changes every week. Best wishes on the project.
<<
thanks..
>>I'm with Cathy! Don't give up! We have too much to gain with the hopeful completion of this project. I am still lighting a fire under Danny & Walt and hopefully will be getting some corals in the near future.
Like the others noted above, I would also be willing to put up whatever monies it takes to keep the project afloat. I also know that without the donated corals, this project will fail. But just take heart in knowing that many of us are with you and will keep working on obtaining the sick corals that you need for this study.
Hang in there and we will do the same, promise!! <<
Thanks...I will.
I would really like the original post with all pertinent information to get outside RC...like to rdo, wet web media,etc., if it is not there already.
If I had a dollar for every time I hear an hobbyist talk about how the reef hobby doesn't harm the reefs, and how we care about them, and how they want to conserve them. Well, this is a rare and overcollected coral that is dying en masse by our hand. No other significant source of mortality exists for Catalaphyllia in the wild that is known about. We are its predator.
I often tell people that "Hey, we hobbyists don't help reefs, and although we could, all the bad press we get is largely true because we take millions of corals every year and kill them - whether we mean to, or not." Best wishes aside, our net effect is negative. Things like this - giving back and not just taking - are the sort of concrete contributions that put more than words behind those claims.
Lunch money is great! Two dollars is great. One dollar is great. We don't need one hundred dollar contributions. We need care, compassion, and a desire to do something, and not major sacrifices of anything (except maybe the efforts of a few who have volunteered to do so (and you know who I mean).
I'm not giving up. But, I will not do this half-baked, either. If we don't reach a goal where something significant can be found, I am not going with what we have and providing meaningless results that just contribute to aquarium anecdote. That's a waste of the donated resources and a waste of effort by everyone....perhaps not least of all, my own.
MiddletonMark
Premium Member
Eric - is there anything that can be done in association with IMAC [which I know, is a long way off ... but not forever] ... so that people there can have an opportunity to contribute & to learn about this project?
I've played in a couple bands for `tip jar' money ... and realize some sort of collection-spot from there makes it easy for 500 people to give a few bucks each ... makes it easy for them to give, almost hard not to. I'm sad that getting money for a noble cause needs to factor in laziness ... and am not positive on attendance there ... but I'd think that it would be something maybe IMAC can help with [?]
Any ideas? I should be down there, and even printing up a few hundred `info sheets' on the project would be good for awareness. If not some method for people to contribute while there ...
And I completely understand, agree with the desire to `do it right' not just something half-baked.
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I'd also encourage everyone who is in a reef club - mention this project at your next meeting. I know I plan to ...
I've played in a couple bands for `tip jar' money ... and realize some sort of collection-spot from there makes it easy for 500 people to give a few bucks each ... makes it easy for them to give, almost hard not to. I'm sad that getting money for a noble cause needs to factor in laziness ... and am not positive on attendance there ... but I'd think that it would be something maybe IMAC can help with [?]
Any ideas? I should be down there, and even printing up a few hundred `info sheets' on the project would be good for awareness. If not some method for people to contribute while there ...
And I completely understand, agree with the desire to `do it right' not just something half-baked.
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I'd also encourage everyone who is in a reef club - mention this project at your next meeting. I know I plan to ...
Forestal
Premium Member
I really only have one local store close enough for me to visit that sells corals. They havent' had any elegance for months. I spoke to the owner, trying to explain what was going on, he seemed uninterested and just replied, i guess that's why we havent got any recently. arrggh
I'm going to talk to some of their workers, who seem to care more for the hobby, see if they can keep their eyes out and spread the word a bit. maybe they can post the print out i made.
Good luck Eric, I've been looking for elegance to buy just for the project, so far no luck.
I'm going to talk to some of their workers, who seem to care more for the hobby, see if they can keep their eyes out and spread the word a bit. maybe they can post the print out i made.
Good luck Eric, I've been looking for elegance to buy just for the project, so far no luck.
Hi Dan:
If you really want to, you can order Catalaphyllia from any number of online vendors. See list of vendors at RC.
Anyway, I know what you mean about the LFS. I also frequented one two weeks ago and was speaking with the owner about this. To make a long story short, he said that he knew what the problem was with Elegance corals and that I should have Eric call him to discuss this so that he could let him know how to "cure" this. Well, rather than argue with this moron, I simply finished looking around and left, probably never to return. To make matters worse, he did not believe that the aquarium trade was having any impact on these, or for that matter, other corals collected from the wild.
So, my friend, I'm afraid this hobby needs some serious dissemination of information regarding the effects that we humans are having on the worlds reefs!
As long as a market exist, corals will be over collected, even if it means the extinction of species. That's why we need to develope better captive propagation techniques. Wouldn't it be nice if one day all of the corals that are sought out by the hobbyist were "farmed" rather than collected from the wild?
If you really want to, you can order Catalaphyllia from any number of online vendors. See list of vendors at RC.
Anyway, I know what you mean about the LFS. I also frequented one two weeks ago and was speaking with the owner about this. To make a long story short, he said that he knew what the problem was with Elegance corals and that I should have Eric call him to discuss this so that he could let him know how to "cure" this. Well, rather than argue with this moron, I simply finished looking around and left, probably never to return. To make matters worse, he did not believe that the aquarium trade was having any impact on these, or for that matter, other corals collected from the wild.
So, my friend, I'm afraid this hobby needs some serious dissemination of information regarding the effects that we humans are having on the worlds reefs!
As long as a market exist, corals will be over collected, even if it means the extinction of species. That's why we need to develope better captive propagation techniques. Wouldn't it be nice if one day all of the corals that are sought out by the hobbyist were "farmed" rather than collected from the wild?
davejnz
In Memoriam
I know what you mean about some of the LFS Reefdiver,i visited
one the other day and when i talked to the owner about the project and donating corals,he responded"Cant Eric get his own corals".Well needless to say,i wont be doing any business there
He also stated that the elegance's that he brings in are healthy
and their isn't any problem.I then told him about the one my friend bought from him and died.He didn't have much to say
after that
one the other day and when i talked to the owner about the project and donating corals,he responded"Cant Eric get his own corals".Well needless to say,i wont be doing any business there
He also stated that the elegance's that he brings in are healthy
and their isn't any problem.I then told him about the one my friend bought from him and died.He didn't have much to say
after that
MiddletonMark
Premium Member
Will do. Sadly, a number of what I would consider the more conscientous online vendors don't normally offer them 
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Eric, keep in your mind a good method and ideas for IMAC `spreading the word'.
I work at a graphic/print shop - so would be able to get/donate any black/white handouts we'd need. [figure single or double sided info/further info/donations sheets and bring them down there. Color would get too much for me to donate on any scale [like over about 100 sheets] ... but black/white I could probably provide as needed.
As it's my first IMAC, not sure if I want to spend ALL my time giving out flyers, taking donations, etc ... but would be more than happy to help as needed - and would be happy to spend some time helping with whatever. Let me know - and email or pm me if you'd want me to help/contact/whatever to make the IMAC folks aware of this and do as needed there.
I'll have this on my mind the next weeks ... maybe some sort of info-PDF for double-sided single page for distribution would be good to have. Usable at IMAC - but yet people could bring these to their reef-clubs, LFS, etc ... letting word out about this project, the website, donation methods ... and the purpose of it all.
Anyway - time to mull and think
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Eric, keep in your mind a good method and ideas for IMAC `spreading the word'.
I work at a graphic/print shop - so would be able to get/donate any black/white handouts we'd need. [figure single or double sided info/further info/donations sheets and bring them down there. Color would get too much for me to donate on any scale [like over about 100 sheets] ... but black/white I could probably provide as needed.
As it's my first IMAC, not sure if I want to spend ALL my time giving out flyers, taking donations, etc ... but would be more than happy to help as needed - and would be happy to spend some time helping with whatever. Let me know - and email or pm me if you'd want me to help/contact/whatever to make the IMAC folks aware of this and do as needed there.
I'll have this on my mind the next weeks ... maybe some sort of info-PDF for double-sided single page for distribution would be good to have. Usable at IMAC - but yet people could bring these to their reef-clubs, LFS, etc ... letting word out about this project, the website, donation methods ... and the purpose of it all.
Anyway - time to mull and think
crpeck
Premium Member
Just emailed Petsolutions.com too
So far that's all I can find. There are others that list them ..i.e. Liveaquaria and Premium Aquatics, but both say they're not currently available so I didn't email them.
I'm thinking that if they carry them at all, surely some corals develop the condition while in inventory and that they should just as soon donate them to us as let them die.
Here's hoping ....
So far that's all I can find. There are others that list them ..i.e. Liveaquaria and Premium Aquatics, but both say they're not currently available so I didn't email them.
I'm thinking that if they carry them at all, surely some corals develop the condition while in inventory and that they should just as soon donate them to us as let them die.
Here's hoping ....
AEALOVESHERGIRLS
Premium Member
Eric,
I just called Fedex to schedule a pick up for my sick elegance to deliver to your house by 10:30am tomorrow Tuesday Feb. 17. I'll have the tracking number for you as soon as the guy gets here. I have never shipped anything alive before, so I hope I followed your shipping instructions properly. They said they couldn't ship anything alive, which doesn't make sense since it was fedex that delivered it to me from liveaquaria. Anyway, I told them I was shipping a dead fish. The shipping was kinda expensive, so I can't make a donation at this time, however, as soon as I can afford to, I will donate to the foundation. I also couldn't get all the hitchikers off the coral, so you will have some pods and a feather duster or 2. I didn't want to damage the coral for the experiment, so I left it alone. It did feed last night and it looks no different now than it did last week. But don't be alarmed as to how it looks when you get it, because it's in a pretty sad state. Please keep me posted on how it's doing and if it survives the shipment.
Amanda
I just called Fedex to schedule a pick up for my sick elegance to deliver to your house by 10:30am tomorrow Tuesday Feb. 17. I'll have the tracking number for you as soon as the guy gets here. I have never shipped anything alive before, so I hope I followed your shipping instructions properly. They said they couldn't ship anything alive, which doesn't make sense since it was fedex that delivered it to me from liveaquaria. Anyway, I told them I was shipping a dead fish. The shipping was kinda expensive, so I can't make a donation at this time, however, as soon as I can afford to, I will donate to the foundation. I also couldn't get all the hitchikers off the coral, so you will have some pods and a feather duster or 2. I didn't want to damage the coral for the experiment, so I left it alone. It did feed last night and it looks no different now than it did last week. But don't be alarmed as to how it looks when you get it, because it's in a pretty sad state. Please keep me posted on how it's doing and if it survives the shipment.
Amanda
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