JoeVandal49
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Thanks Uberfugu. After browsing i believe i have Antennatus coccineus. But i will get some photos when i have someone over that can take good ones.
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Thanks Uberfugu. After browsing i believe i have Antennatus coccineus. But i will get some photos when i have someone over that can take good ones.
JoeVandal49
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So i have been reading mixed reviews.
I understand the dangers of fatty liver from feeding fresh water feeder fish.
My question is this, what real dangers am i looking at if i were to feed live, gut fed, saltwater converted, Mollies/guppies?
I can and do feed frozen to all of my other fish, including my eels, so i have no problem spot feeding frozen(frogfish is currently eating frozen Krill, but wont eat anything else frozen).
However, i would personally prefer to feed live once a week.
Ghost shrimp and saltwater feeders outside of chromis are not available in my area, so for those types of live feeders i would be subject to ordering online which i would like to avoid if possible.
Also, is a moderate sized feeding once a week acceptable?
I can feed as often as i need to, but im terrified of over feeding.
I understand the dangers of fatty liver from feeding fresh water feeder fish.
My question is this, what real dangers am i looking at if i were to feed live, gut fed, saltwater converted, Mollies/guppies?
I can and do feed frozen to all of my other fish, including my eels, so i have no problem spot feeding frozen(frogfish is currently eating frozen Krill, but wont eat anything else frozen).
However, i would personally prefer to feed live once a week.
Ghost shrimp and saltwater feeders outside of chromis are not available in my area, so for those types of live feeders i would be subject to ordering online which i would like to avoid if possible.
Also, is a moderate sized feeding once a week acceptable?
I can feed as often as i need to, but im terrified of over feeding.
uberfugu
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Much of the information available is anecdotal. Mixed reviews are probably a good indicator that many experiences differ according to environmental conditions and the temperament of the individual animal. The higher the n number (sample size), the clearer the overall picture of what to expect in a particular species, but there are always outliers and probably too many variables to be precise with pedantic recommendations beyond the very general (good water quality, consistent water parameters).H
That is one of the great things about this thread... opinions vary and there are many ways to achieve a similar goal.
Fatty liver degeneration was indicated in wild collected frogfishes. I probably helped spread this notion as it is noted in a variety of 'amateur' publications.
Through observation (not examination of gut dissection) of frogfishes in the wild is that they are opportunistic feeders. As ambush predators, they don't necessarily have the dietary options available compared to an active pursuit predator (a shark can chase after the dinner of his choice; frogfishes will prey upon what makes itself available). In short, they'll eat all kinds of strange things, some better but some possibly worse than a goldfish (Carassius auratus) et. al.
Getting to the point, from experience as a human with diabetic concerns and a general fitness interests, it makes sense to me (note the non-scientific qualifier) that a varied, marine diet somewhat approximating what a frogfish would eat in habitat would be the best for long term health and happiness.
To go on, I feed my good frogfishes (the ones that will eat this type of food item) either rotating chunks of previously frozen halibut, smelt, anchovy, squid, clam pieces on an acrylic feeding stick. I also take the above mentioned seafood buffet, blended with selcon (or similar), agar agar, and frozen into small, little fishsticks. (note: do not come to my house for frozen margaritas. I only have one blender.)
None... in the short term. It does behove you to 1) get real marine foodstuffs and 2) vary their diets. Variety is the spice of life.
Nothing wrong with krill. Fairly nutritious and marine to boot. If you can get your froggy to eat frozen krill, I would think that, eventually, you can get it to eat other frozen foodstuffs.
Not necessarily a better option. I had the terrible claim to fame of getting my reidi seahorses to only accept live ghost shrimp when they were raised on frozen mysis (my ex-wife might be justified using the term idiot). I think that today's frozen options are oftentimes more nutritious compared to the starved, nutritiously-inadequate live items we raise.
A visit to the local seafood counter might provide a variety of acceptable options. You just need to be patient and coerce your frogfish to eat off of a stick.
That is what I do and I have been pretty successful as of late.
I do have some frogfishes that won't eat off of an acrylic feeding stick. Mainly my little >1" Antennatus tuberosus. They only accept f/w ghost shrimp. So I gut-load the ghost shrimp with cyclop-eez and they seem to do well.
Sweeper13
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Dang....Now that I look at few pics from the last few pages, I think mine is a A. maculatus. UBERFUGU posted a pic on topic 937. Mine is looking exactly like the red one in pic. Now that he's got a lil bigger. I feed mine shrimp and clam. He was doing ghost shrimp at the beginning. Now he sees me coming with the stick and he's trying to jump at me. I was lucky and he was eating off stick within 33 days. Forgot to add, I usually feed him every 4 or 5 days.
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uberfugu
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So, what are you going to get?
I do not know. i loved my Lophiocharon trisignatus, but i think ill be very limited in what i can get in Austin TX. Ive never owned a warty but i think it will be too small for my 58g. So im more going to start talking and looking around to see whats possible. i miss my old friend....
uberfugu
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Well, I just lost a pictus today. Didn't quarantine a new tankmate. Thought that chloroquine phosphate would have protected the animal. After all of these years, still not heeding my own advice.
I did start setting up a new IM Nuvo 20. It's the bare bones tank with a smoked glass background. Looks like it won't have any occupants in the near future (not necessarily a bad thing).
Here's a pic of one of my little Antennatus tuberosus.
I did start setting up a new IM Nuvo 20. It's the bare bones tank with a smoked glass background. Looks like it won't have any occupants in the near future (not necessarily a bad thing).
Here's a pic of one of my little Antennatus tuberosus.
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ReefCowboy
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By far the coolest fish in the hobby! Wish i could have one in a reef tank
korrvalmoria
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Hello, Everyone.
I'm new to the hobby. I have read that the variable triggering the color change of Frogfish is still unknown (I read it from Wiki and other source that I forgot).
The question now is, I have my frogfish for a month now. When I bought him, he was bright orangey-yellow, but now, he became a mud (in color lol). He is a brackish water frogfish (Antennarius biocellatus). How can I turn back him to his previous color?
Thanks,
Korr
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I'm new to the hobby. I have read that the variable triggering the color change of Frogfish is still unknown (I read it from Wiki and other source that I forgot).
The question now is, I have my frogfish for a month now. When I bought him, he was bright orangey-yellow, but now, he became a mud (in color lol). He is a brackish water frogfish (Antennarius biocellatus). How can I turn back him to his previous color?
Thanks,
Korr
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moondoggy4
Team RC
I wish
I wish
You can as long he is the smallest fish in the tank, or he might become the largest.:deadhorse1: I had a Warty back in the 80's but it was FO tank.
I wish
You can as long he is the smallest fish in the tank, or he might become the largest.:deadhorse1: I had a Warty back in the 80's but it was FO tank.
cougareyes
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bfraenza92
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I am ultra happy to be a owner of my very first frog fish named Sitri. Okay so here is my question:
He doesn't seem to like my kessil? During the day he hide at the back of the tank, at night he sits perched up on a specific rock. He's been in the tank about three days now ate withing thirty minutes of being put into the DT.
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He doesn't seem to like my kessil? During the day he hide at the back of the tank, at night he sits perched up on a specific rock. He's been in the tank about three days now ate withing thirty minutes of being put into the DT.
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bfraenza92
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No one cares aye? Lol update I've had him since Sunday he has eaten a few ghost shrimp. Seems to be turning black to match the sand maybe haha. Any suggestions on what the best food is for these guys. I don't want to do mollies or anything fw. I really want to feed him marine food to try and match his diet as best as possible.. any suggestions?
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