The Official Cleanup Crew Thread

SoloChromis

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A lot of beginners find themselves asking "what clean up crew animals do I really need?", "What's *really* going to make a difference". I've been asked these sort of questions a million times working in stores, and many of them ended up insisting on buying, or had already added animals that *look* like they do... something, when in reality they are either entirely useless, or actually of detriment to the overall health of the system. Some of the animals I'm talking about are ...

Diamond & Sleeper Gobies - I can't tell you how many people would come in complaining about their "dirty" sand, and end up insisting on sticking with a sand sifting goby to solve their problem, because by the look of it, they are REALLY making a difference. All they do all day is run around like a mad man scooping mounds of sand into their mouth and spitting it out their gills, and this is a pitfall so many of us have fallen into in our earlier days. In reality these fish are actually obliterating the population of microfauna in your sand bed, essentially making your entire sand bed a waste sink. Most of us do pay more for "live" sand, and what these gobies are doing is wiping out our investment, while making a huge mess in the process. The saddest thing about this trend is that the gobies are really the one's who lose out in the situation, as the majority of them slowly waste away over time. Save your money and stick with watchmans (watchmen?) if you really like the elongated look of these gobies.

Green Brittle Stars - It boggles my mind that these monsters are still offered regularly, as it should be a widely known fact by now that this particular species has a habit of preying on fish! I'm not certain why exactly it is that these species has a longer rap sheet with this than other brittles, but it's best to just avoid them all together. The craziest thing about it is IME they actually cost MORE than the regular brown/black brittles, and I've even seem them labeled as "fancy" :facepalm: .

Arrow Crabs - They will wipe out a bristle worm population over a time, and they will also prey upon pods, which many hobbyists dedicate a lot of patience and effort into establishing in a tank. I've also seen them go after small fish, shrimp, and hermit crabs. Cool looking, yes, but won't do a thing for you and those of you that are counting the days until you can finally add the mandarin that got you into the hobby, forget about these guys entirely.

Coral Banded/Boxing Shrimp - Very similar to the arrow crabs in their usefulness to a tank... They eat bristle worms, pods, are territorial with other shrimp, and have been known for catching unsuspecting fish once they mature into large adults. They're also pretty stationary, so they're not going to be of much help with cleaning up excess waste (the scarlet cleaner and bloods are much better for this). That being said, the blue & zanzibar coral banded shrimp are pretty fantastic looking and will only reach a fraction of the maximum size of your average coral banded (Stenopus hispidus).

Bumblebee Snails, Olive Snails, Whelks - I grouped these together because you don't want any of them in your tank for the same reason. They're predatory, and will eat other snails, and not do you very much good in keeping the sand bed clean or algae at bay.

Blue Leg Hermit Crabs - As popular and readily available as they are, I can't warn you guys enough, stay away! IME they have always whittled their numbers down to 2-3, no matter the size of the tank. Every day it seemed like we'd have someone coming in to replenish their hermit population. For whatever reason they seem to be much more inclined to murder each other and their snail tankmates than the scarlet reefs. It's no argument for me anymore, I will only use the scarlet reef hermits, despite their higher price. They just seem to coexist with each other and other invertebrates much more peacefully than other species.

Sand Sifting Stars - Much like the gobies listed, these guys live off of the microfauna in your sand bed, not the waste. From what I've seen, they have almost always just kinda withered away after making your live sand bed sterile.

... Now onto praising the unsung heroes of the hobby... ladies and gentlemen give it up for...

Urchins (Pin Cushion, Tuxedos etc.) - Despite popular misconception, their *are* in fact reef-safe urchins out there. These guys are without a doubt the unchallenged champions when it comes to plowing through any given algae. That being said, they will nip at coralline here and there, especially once a lot of the nuisance algae starts to vanish, and if you're really uptight about things getting rearranged and carried around every once in a while (frags, small pieces of rock, hermits etc.), these may get on your nerves. Totally worth having IMO, very hardy and some of the most fascinating creatures you can keep in a tank.

Fighting Conchs - Ah, the urchins of the sand bed... They're outstandingly effective at keeping a sand bed oxygenated and free of waste buildup, and they'll do the job of 20 nassarius snails once they're full grown, but they *are* a bit bulky, so again, if you're uptight... suck it up and deal with it, because these guys are worth every dime :lolspin:

Serpent/Brittle Stars - "Is that an octopus in there?!" - anyone that has ever seen my tank for the first time. Very cool, very hardy, they come in a huge variety of colors and sizes (black & white, red, orange, pink, purple etc.), and there's no better option when it comes to cleaning out dead spots and keeping waste from building up within the rockwork (something many of us forget to consider).

Emerald Crabs - Not only are they cute, they're also the only invert I've seen that'll wipe out the PITA bubble algae so many of us struggle with. They're also much more active than hermits and therefore cover more ground.

Dwarf Cerith Snails - I praised these little guys for keeping my glass clean and getting in all the tiny little nooks & crannies where algae will build up, in places other animals can't reach. They're also very cheap and you can buy around 100 from Reef Cleaners for something like $5 and you'll definitely see a difference, despite their diminutive size.

Sea Cucumbers - Despite the stories of them dying and wiping out a whole tank, I have yet to meet anyone that this has happened to. They're fantastic when it comes to keeping a sand bed healthy and they're actually pretty cool (even though a lot of them look like turds :D).

Bristle Worms - YES, bristle worms. Everyone's scared of them, but I promise they make up for their looks with their personality. Eh, maybe not so much personality, but their performance when it comes to waste management is outstanding and they breed like rabbits. Plus most of the time they're free, and you can't beat free :beer:

... So there it is, my definitive list of the not so helpful and the true legends when it comes to keeping our beloved boxes of water running efficiently longterm. Post any of you favorite CUC members below, with a tale of their humble, every day heroism :dance:
 
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Those are all cute animals, but the top 3 cleaners in my tank are:
Mag float
Turkey baster
Gravel vac

I <3 my snails and whelks and limpets and chitons cause they're fun too watch (we call the chiton "Aqua-Roomba") and it's helpful how they eat nutrients out of crevices and poop them someplace I can reach for removal, but nothing beats elbow grease for actually cleaning the tank. Especially in those early months when the algae is bad, just pulling it out by hand beats any assortment of critters.
 
Great write up should help alot of people.

To add one more to the do not buy list is the horseshoe crab, while they look very cool they will eat evwrything in your sandbed and unless spot fed will starve to death. Not to mention they get huge, will outgrow about everyones tank
 
12 Emeralds in my 100g and they rock! best part of the CUC period. And I have yet to see them harm coral other that trying to lift it to get out algae etc underneath.
 
Great write up should help alot of people.

To add one more to the do not buy list is the horseshoe crab, while they look very cool they will eat evwrything in your sandbed and unless spot fed will starve to death. Not to mention they get huge, will outgrow about everyones tank

I did consider listing horseshoe crabs but they don't seem to be nearly as common "false cleaners" as the others on this list, at least in my experience. And from what I've seen most people that *do* buy them are buying them more for the novelty than the misconception that they'll do something for their tank. You couldn't be more right about these guys though, they're totally unsuitable for the vast majority of tanks out there. Raid sand beds, cause rock slides, get jammed in aquascape and it's a sad thing to consider their natural life span compared to their average captive life span (at least in personal tanks). Thanks a lot, I appreciate the feedback :beer:
 
A a couple things I would disagree on...

1) Urchins particularly black long spine urchins. They don't nip at coraline they devour it. They might eat other stuff too but they will scrape your rocks bare in rather short order. Aside from that they are one man wrecking crews and will knock over anything in the tank that is not secured. If anything they are problem solvers. Use them for an algae problem then get rid of them. I have one I need to catch that is wreaking havoc and fortunately mostly eating the coraline off my black tank back. I had one years ago that came on some Hawaiian rock and he was also a menace.

2) Dwarf Ceriths should also be avoided like the plague. Like the name says they are small and they tend to move as a swarm at night. The problem is they will destroy powerheads especially the Gyre. Just the right size to get in, get wedged in the cheap fragile fins and destroy the squirrel cage. They have also totally jammed and stripped the drive cog.

3) Diamond watchman. I have one that is a miracle worker as far as keeping the sand bed looking nice. Is he eating stuff? Yes but not too concerned with one fish munging on a 6x2ft sand bed that's mostly inaccessible. Yes he clouds up the tank at times but he keeps detritus under control and that stuff moved to the water column gets removed from the tank by prefilter and skimmer. He keeps the sand white and I doubt does any more damage than a good vacuuming of the sand bed. As far as any fish and wasting away it just depends on what they are willing to eat. This one has no problem eating anything that hits the sand bed like mysis or pellets.

I agree on most the rest but along with the watchman the other must have IMO is a lawn mower blenny who works on any algae and also works over any diatom problems that may develop on the sand bed. Plus he's so damn ugly he's cute.
 
I have to come to my Diamond Watchman's defense also. He only really churns up the top 1/2 inch of my 3 - 5 inch sand bed. With the rockwork and everything in my sump, I'm not concerned about depleting microfauna. The DW Goby keeps my sand surface immaculate, and I leave the rest up to my Nassarius snails.

I personally wouldn't house an Urchin.

And I exclusively purchase Blue-Legged Hermits, albeit the really tiny ones.
 
How about the astrea snails. I used to have a lot of good results with them but never replaced them after they all died off.

skeeter
 
Good tips! Every Emerald crab I've ever tried eventually got mean. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

No that's normal once they get big and you don't have much algae for them to eat in the tank. The last one I bought is living in my sump and I'm pretty sure his shell from tip to tip is about 2" could be more.
 
I was having a murder constantly going on in my DT by blue legged hermits. As I caught them in the crime they went to the sump. So I found myself with no hermits so I bought 4 scarlet hermits. They are slow, methodical about cleaning and they don't murder snails or other hermits.
 
How about the astrea snails. I used to have a lot of good results with them but never replaced them after they all died off.

skeeter

Astreas are good additions to a tank as extra algae control, but the 2nd list in my post was directed more towards the impressively efficient critters, and IME urchins smoke astreas in the algae combat department. This is the same reason I didn't list nassarius snails, as the conch definitely has them beat in keep a sand bed healthy. Thanks for reading :beer:
 
I was having a murder constantly going on in my DT by blue legged hermits. As I caught them in the crime they went to the sump. So I found myself with no hermits so I bought 4 scarlet hermits. They are slow, methodical about cleaning and they don't murder snails or other hermits.

I have consistently had very similar experiences with blue legs as you had. There's a remarkably distinct difference in temperament in the scarlet reefs I've found, to the point where I can buy 5 of them, for $3 a piece lets say, and feel confident that there will still be 5 after a few months. I think starting out with the proper count and making available enough empty shells for them to grow into both play a vital role in keeping things friendly between hermits. They may be 1 of the cheapest investments in a tank, but if I can save myself the little bit of money that it does cost to keep replenishing their numbers, than why not :D
 
Great post.

Could not agree more with comments about blue legged hermits (i.e., snail eaters). But I have seen no evidence that emerald crabs eat bubble (or any other type of) algae. I have definitely observed them munching on LPS polyps so IMO I would never add another crab to one of my tanks.

Also agree that blue tuxedo urchin and serpent/brittle stars are great detrivores and worthy of inclusion in CUC.

Never tried fighting conches but if I see one available in LFSs, I will definitely give them a whirl.

And BTW,forget sea hares and sea lettuce nudis as cure for GHA. The former barely make a dent before they die, the latter do not do ***t.

Thanks again for very worthwhile thread,

Mike
 
I apologize for not reading through the entire thread and I'm not sure if this has been said before, but having the LEAST amount of janitors in a tank is what we should all strive for. Point Blank!
I can't say it as eloquently as another member did one time, but everybody wants a pet these days but nobody wants to clean up after them it seems... GL.
 
A a couple things I would disagree on...

2) Dwarf Ceriths should also be avoided like the plague. Like the name says they are small and they tend to move as a swarm at night. The problem is they will destroy powerheads especially the Gyre. Just the right size to get in, get wedged in the cheap fragile fins and destroy the squirrel cage. They have also totally jammed and stripped the drive cog.

What size are your powerheads and how large of a gap is there in the grilles? I've had DCs in my tank a while and seen them on the PHs several times but not damaged them. It may be my small PH's grilles are too fine for them to enter.


BTW, loved Bill the Cat way back when. Probably the funniest cat cartoon ever.
 
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