Think I made a big mistake

Doobze

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Noob move and not likely to be repeated again. I bought 4 green chromis to help cycle my 46gallon with 25lbs of live rock in it. (I know, not accepted practice at all, well aware, won't happen again). Within the first hour or so I noticed something wrong with one of them.

While the 3 others were schooling and behaving completely normally, this one (healthy looking at first) decided to pick out a corner of the tank near the bottom and just hang out. He would swim along the glass near the bottom, occasionally swimming upwards, vertically along my heater a few times and then come back down. All the while his breathing becomes more and more rapid. Now today, he's in even worse shape. His fins are ragged, he's barely moving and wouldn't feed when I fed the others. Theres a small amount of a stringy something trailing on his tail fins. He's looking pale and has what looks like random pale blotches, not white dots, but whole scale sized, randomized patches that lack color. He was hiding in the rockwork and wouldn't school.

I originally thought Ich and decided to try a freshwater dip for 10 minutes. Well, since then, he seems to have improved somewhat, I did the dip about an hour and half to two hours ago and it seems to have improved his condition somewhat. He's straightened his body out somewhat (he was looking a little bit crooked), and he's become more active, schooling with his buddies. However, he still has something trailing from his fins, is still breathing rapidly and still seems to be having some difficulty swimming, albeit less than before. I can't tell if he's getting better or not.

I'm just wondering, is this Ich? I originally feared it was, but the pale blotches seem to large and conform to the scales perfectly, which doesn't seem to match up with Ich. Also I haven't noticed him rubbing against any rocks. All the other fish show no symptoms whatsoever, including one with a badly shredded pelvic fin (I assume the victim of aggression from his mates at some point, probably in the bag on the way home, because I noticed it immediately) who otherwise is doing absolutely fine. The symptoms don't seem to conform to any sort of ammonia or nitrite poisoning either, especially since at two weeks old, my system isn't registering either of those in tests yet.

Is this a symptom of bad acclimation? What exactly are the symptoms of bad acclimation?

What's going on?
 
could be an existing condition that was exacerbated from transport, injury during transport or didn't do well with the acclimation or uncycled tank conditions. Also could have been the loser in the fight with the one that has the shredded pelvic fin.

Personally, I'd cease any more netting, dipping, medicating or other stressful experiences for the fish. If you can get it to eat there's a good chance it'll pull through. Try some live brine shrimp. They are pretty worthless nutritionally but can stimulate a sick fish to eat. Once they get used to the routine of your food introductions they will eat just about anything offer.
 
Woop, guess I was wrong about him getting better, he just found a spot on the rock and is now just sitting there breathing heavy, I have a feeling he's on his last legs :(

I forgot to mention, the fish with the shredded fin, there is redness around the fin, but it looks like it was part of the injury. He's also breathing rapidly but otherwise seems to be behaving normally, schooling and feeding readily, so I just assumed the breathing was from the stress from the injury.
 
I'm just really worried about parasites that'll have me drying out my tank and starting over ugh.

Should I be worried?
 
Parasites are likely not the main culprit. Labored breathing and slimy, deteriorating fins are typical signs of ammonia poisoning. If the fish are suffering from parasites, it's most likely a result of stress from being dropped in an uncycled tank. Fish become very susceptible to protozoan infection when stressed.

You are seeing first hand why using fish to cycle a tank is not a good idea. Not only is it unnecessary, it's actually kind of cruel.

Have you done any tests at all for Ammonia and Nitrite?
 
Yeah, I did just a few minutes ago. It looks like the first signs of ammonia are showing up in the test, it's somewhere in between 0 and 0.25 ppm, it's really difficult to tell that it's anywhere above 0 according the chart (API).

I haven't noticed any discoloration of the gills or red streaks in the fins though? Do these not always present with ammonia poisoning?

Honestly, it may sound mean, but if it is just an opportunistic infection or bad water quality, I'll be releaved. I don't want to have to deal with ich.

Forgot my other params are

Temp: 78
Ammonia: 0-0.25 ppm
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate:0
SG: 1.024
 
it could also be aggresion as stated before fish school in odd number groups so maybe the fish with the messed up fin won his spot in the school.
 
I thought about it, but discounted it, since I have seen him school and nobody picks on him. Also, I didn't see any real physical injuries. I'm just hoping it's one of the more benign reasons right now :/

He's pretty much on his last legs now, not swimming at all. I doubt he'll live, I'll post a post-mortum pic if he doesn't so maybe you can see his condition and give you a better idea of what's going on.
 
sorry to hear that you having probs.

i did the same thing as you only i used 1 damsel.

its important to wait till the quality of the water is ok before you throw in a tester.
 
Well, the fish I thought was fine, the one with the shredded pelvic fin? Dead. Took an extremely fast turn for the worse, was dead in a couple of hours, just watched him take his last breath :(

That doesn't sound like a parasite of any kind, right? I definitely did notice him being aggressively harassed by one of the others who seemed to establish a little cave for himself.
 
Watch your levels and do lots of water changes. You now know why we dont cycle with live fish. You might want to see if someone like your LFS or a fellow reefer will hold the fish for a few weeks till the tank is cycled.
 
The LFS I got it from said they would take em back for credit after the cycle, so I plan on bringing the two surviving healthy ones back tomorrow.

I have no intention of putting any sort of chromis in my tank, not after witnessing the aggression they have towards each other. And I don't plan on wasting my bioload capacity on ten chromis just to curb the aggression. They're supposed to be hardy, good beginner fish, but after some google research I've discovered lots of people having the same problems as me. They just seem to have a very high mortality rate when introduced to new tanks.

Hardy fish my ***.
 
So the LFS knew you were using them to cycle?

Tell the LFS guy that you want him to test out your car in a closed garage.

For a new reefer it is a mistake. For a LFS to suggest it is a Suckey LFS. I would really get a new store to use. ANY advise thay LFS gives you is suspect.
 
He didn't suggest it, he did present it as one of the options available to me, especially since it was taking sooooo long for my tank to cycle, which was baffling me. Been 2 and a half weeks, have 25 lbs. of live rock, even threw in a big hunk of shrimp to try and get my ammonia tests to register SOMETHING. It's only in the past few days that it just started to register barely anything on the test (API).
 
I would have used 3 raw shrimp in a nylon bag. After about 3 days the ammonia will give a spike.
When the nitrites spike I take the shrimp out. (They will smell BAD when you take them out)
Nitrates will then drop and the Nitrates will spike.
When Nitrates go down to 20 or less do a 40% water change.
Add a cleanup crew and monitor for another week or two.

If all is good then add 1 or 2 fish and wait a week or two before you add anything else.

You might want to think about some more rock. You should have about 50lb
Are you running a skimmer?
 
LFS ordered one for me, it'll be there tomorrow, going to get it, AquaC Remora with MaxiJet 1200. After looking at all the reviews and everything it looked like the best fit for my sumpless system. I know I should have more LR, the stuff is expensive though! Haha, I'm continuously adding, I plan on having around 50 lb. by the time any more fish see this aquarium.
 
I have not used a AquaC Remoria but I have not heard anything good about them ether.

I would look at this:
Reef Octopus BH 300F Dual
Hang-on-Back Protein
Skimmer with Filter
System*
PS-CV-OCT-DBH-300F
$199.95


http://www.aquacave.com/reef-octopu...in-br-skimmer-with-filter-br-system-2070.html

I have the Octopus 800 HOB and it does a super job!

BHF300F1.jpg
 
The worst I've heard about the AquaC is that it's noisy. Plus my budget is a little tight, waiting for my new promotion at new job to kick in :/

Just to be clear, I have no reason to suspect parasites such as ich or velvet or brooklynella in my tank, right? Kind of worried about brooklynella the more I read about it, for the first fish I started the thread about. Or am I just being a fish hypochondriac?
 
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