This is pretty sad...

Although the tank does seem a bit "lifeless" as you put it, it's not "sad" IMHO. The conspics look nice and fat, the tank is super clean so the owner obviously does tons of maintenance on the tank (the BB is easy to keep clean). We never even see the right side of the tank so it's hard to judge how big it is. One of the bandits did appear skinny though... and there are four of them it appears.

The second one is definitely pushing it though ;)

This is about the worst I've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOQcT0kEZ0s&feature=related
 
You see those Hong Kong "locker room" tanks, they pretty much seem to be the norm over there. Very sparse decor and rock and tons of fish, they love the angels. I feel bad for the fish.
 
That tank has been referenced many times before. Everytime these threads come up, I'm one of the few who thinks it is okay. It isn't that big and there are lots of bandits probably more than four, but I can't remember.

These type of tanks always employ tons of flow, good filtration and lots of fish. There never seems to be aggression and all the fish are usually fat and don't look stressed.
 
I agreee with Tim and Stun.

I do not believe that this is a sad tank. The fish look healthy and fat (for the most part), and there are no obvious signs of aggression.

One must consider that if the owner is going to drop that amount of cash on these fish he/she must have some knowledge, and to keep the fish together and looking as good as they do, they must be doing something right.

~Michael
 
I agree with Michael, with ONE caveat - that there is the assumption that these fish have been in the tank for awhile, and not just dumped in there for the video (I'm also holding back approval because of that one thin bandit angel). I could tell a lot more about how those fish are doing if I could see them being fed.

We run into this issue in many threads here - people are aghast at some stocking density that is really only a degree higher than their own tanks - but something just affects their "sensibilities" and they cannot tolerate it.

I once tried to calculate the biomass of the world's oceans and compared it to its volume. It worked out to something like one 25 gram clownfish in a 20,000 gallon tank, or 0.00125 grams per gallon. I did a quick estimate on the fish listed in Kahuna's tagline above, and this person could easily have 1000 grams of fish in their 180 gallon, 5 grams per gallon, or 4000 times more crowded than the ocean! How do they know they are not mistreating their own fish? How can they determine that a density of say 9 grams per gallon is then too much (which is what I roughly estimate the second video to be at)?


Jay
 
They do look ok, but I question why. Why would you want to have a fish tank like that? I can barely follow one fish, its like being at a fish shop, nothing that I would ever want to replicate in my home.
 
These videos have been posted before. I'm inclined to agree with Tom. It's a popular style in Asia. All the tanks I have seen in these videos are meticulously kept, often with huge sumps and adequate filtration. As long as there's no aggression (and I've never seen signs of any), these fish always appear fat and disease-free, save for that one bandit.
 
If I remember correctly he documented his tank in some HK thread and if you go through the details he has changed fish numerous times and I believe he claimed he gave/traded with friends so long term success is questionable.
 
Interesting. I'm not a fan of the setup, but it seems to be working, provided some of these guys are getting long-term success. It's a bit less credible if they're trading with each other, however...
 
Fair enough. Even if they are, I'm assuming it was with each other? From one "overcrowded" tank to another? Does that really show anything, if one large fish goes from an overcrowded tank in exchange for another large fish into the other overcrowded tank? It seems to me as if that would cause more stress than if all the fish had been there originally.
 
Wether you gays say it's ok or not, I'm leaing on the side of...not. =( What happened to tangs need a 6 foot tank to be COMFORTABLE? These fish may be alive, but I doubt they're happy like that. If someone posted a thread with a tank like that here, I'm sure they'd get a lot of flame. Just because their Chinese doesn't mean they shouldn't think about and research the needs of their pets.
 
There is no way those tanks are sustainable. I see a tank of crowding and disease. I think they just eat the sick ones and throw new ones in periodicaly. YUM!
 
It doesnt look good, but its working, its a fact.

Although Im not a fan of keeping Angels like this, this method is a proved and safe way to keep Angels together, just think about your fellow hobbyst who were introducing a Majestic after a Blue Face and so on, usualy it ends up in a dead angel.

In HK the angels are more peaceful...:love2:
 
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