This one is for you Whodah

ficklefins

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I got some zoas from a buddy and after a day or two one of the zoas started doing somthing weird. If you look at the lowest zoa it is eating its skirt. The reason this pic is interesting (despite the poor quality) is that the rest of the zoas around it have a distinctive orange center. BTW my tank went through some stress lately and most of those zoas are gone. :(

zoa_eating.jpg
 
hard to tell in the pic, but i have seen a previous pic a long time ago taken with a expensive macro lens camera of a zoa actually with some of its skirt in its mouth.

what caused the stress to all your corals in the tank? sorry to hear about that, did you lose anything else?
 
I lost all but 4 zoas on that frag. The pic was taken during the start of the stressful times.

After trying way too much with my tank I finally came to the conclusion that it went through a small cycle. Things started to die, brown algae took over, then the zoas started to look good and the brown algae started to fade.

Thanks to Mucho's Idea I kept a good log during these times so I have a discreptive opinion on what was going on. Hopefully I'll never need to rely on it.
 
so what exactly happened? did you add too many rocks/corals too fast? or were you messing with adding new equipment? significantly changing the pH, alkalinity or what? i'm curious to hear your experiences.

so you lost ALL over your zoas besides a couple polyps on that frag? maaaaaaaaaaan, that sucks :(
 
Well most of my zoas shrunk and wouldn't grow. A few colonies were cut down but all in all I did not lose any colony. On a lot of colonies I lost 60-70% of their polyps.

I have a feeling the issue started when I tried to introduce a sump into my system. I have a feeling that adding that 10g to my 20g created a large change in the water quality because I was stupid and tried to rush things. Shortly after that I fragged a bunch of zoas and introduced frag discs to the tank. While I did keep these frag discs in an extra tank to cycle I think the difference between the two may have added to the cycle.

In the end my tank turned brown and everything was on the down fall. Some zoas were not opening while other zoas were pinching off at the bottom and floating around the tank. My SPS went from perfect one day to dead in 3 days. I was testing every other day. I ran carbon for two weeks changing it out every 4 days. I was over skimming the tank in hopes that I would pull out all issues and doing water changes every 3 days.

In the end I took a deep breath and stopped stressing over the tank. I reduced my skimming so that I was pulling out a light brown color. I lowered my light down so that it was 10 inches from my tank and added another powerhead. I purchased a few snails to take care of the algae problem and crossed my fingers. The tests were showing up witn no nitrate/ite or ammonia and everything else was close to perfect. I made a zoa rack and placed them 3 inches from the water surface with partial powerhead blast.

As of right now, my zoas are looing good. Everything is opening and I have seen new baby zoas coming out of corners. The brown algae is going away, zoas have stopped pinching off and the water is clear!

In the end I think it was the introduction of the sump and new frag mounts that caused a cycle. when you have a 20 gallon 8-9 frag mounts can cause problems.
 
did you make the frag mounts yourself? or were they boston aqua farm ones? i have the BAF frag plugs, and on the package it says not to add in large batches, b/c even though they "claim they are cured", they will significantly mess up your pH and alkalinity if you add too many too quick, in small system.

for my 50g system, i started adding frag plugs about 1-2 every 2 days or so just to be on the safe side. i was being way overly cautious and probably could have added more, faster.

the fact that you never saw any NO3, NO2, and NH3, would lead me to guess that it was caused by dramatic shifts in pH and alkalinity. did you happen to test for these?

if you made the plugs, its possible there was some other contaminant also....silicates, phosphates etc.

i dont see how just adding a sump would cause problems. i've added tanks and large new volumes of saltwater to my system and other people's systems with no problems. only issue i ever saw was b/c of all the new saltwater (even though the same % on the refractometer), everything would slime up quite a bit, and some of the sps would get ticked and turn brown over the next couple days.
 
Al,

I'm not 100% sure of what caused the issue in my tank. I did test for pH and alk which had low readings across the board. In my rush I forgot to test the water volume I had sitting in the sump and I'm pretty sure that whatever I did wrong was because of rushing.

I had my frag mounts in another container for a few weeks before introduced them to my main container. I let them finish cycling with some old rock I have. For the most part that container was pretty neglected so who knows what state that water/frags were in. I have since replaced the water in my container.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7476960#post7476960 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by whodah
ficklefins:
nifty!! may i add that to the 'unusual' ZoaID gallery, please? :D

It's all yours, that's why I put it up here. I'll check for a bigger picture when I get home.
 
heya!

wanted to say thanks! and it's up on the site!!

i started a new section under "the unusual" called "Zoanthids that are eating weird things."

:lol:

yer the first in it!

due to technical reasons, that other one that weatherson shot won't be moved into there just yet... but soon on the next gallery software update i think i'll be able to link it in there properly w/out breaking images previously posted in threads! :D
 
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