Thoughts on Long Spined Urchin?

Hello,

About a month plus ago a friend gave me a Long Spined urchin (about 6") which I put in my 72g bowfront. Well, it seems to have pretty much cleaned all of my LR to the point that they look white. I like the spiny critter but not so thrilled about it moving all over the tank, tossing the few corals I have. Any thoughts on keeping it, long term benefits or problems?

I plan on adding various corals, so I'd like to know if it's safe to keep it. Otherwise, will give away to a good home. Thanks beforehand for all your feedback.
 

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I think the biggest complaint about urchins is them bulldozing corals and rocks. They do not harm things directly, but more indirectly. Sounds like a pretty big urchin for that size tank. Bump:)
 
There's no place for one in my reef. I already hate when my snails of hermits knock a coral of it place as it is.
 
As mentioned they are good at relocation I don't believe they are known for sucking rocks white that were once full of purple coralline?
 
i have one and dont see any problems except that eventually it will grow too big,love the look and at night it flouresces
 
Double check with live aquaria or something... if this is a black spinny urchin beware. They will hurt you physically and they have a nack for eating soft coral, particually Zoa, at least this has been my experience.
 
Thank you all for your feedback. I'd probably need to find it a good home or give it to my LFS since I plan on adding corals (zoas are one of my favorites) soon.
 
I think the biggest complaint about urchins is them bulldozing corals and rocks. They do not harm things directly, but more indirectly. Sounds like a pretty big urchin for that size tank. Bump:)

Got it, thanks! I too, believe it might be too big for my tank (among the other possible issues) - another rookie mistake of accepting "gifts" - :-)
 
Double check with live aquaria or something... if this is a black spinny urchin beware. They will hurt you physically and they have a nack for eating soft coral, particually Zoa, at least this has been my experience.

Thanks, just did and yes, it is a black spine urchin. Here's what Live Aquaria states, similar to other sites:

"The Black Longspine Urchin, also known as Long-spined Sea Urchin, has a body which is predominately black with a red eyespot in the center. The spines on these urchins are long, thin and completely black. They are a very delicate looking urchin, which are actually very capable of protecting itself. These urchins are excellent algae controllers for an aquarium housing aggressive fish.
Provide an aquarium with ample hiding places and room to roam. Being a nocturnal creature, the Black Longspine Urchin will hide during the day and only come out at night to forage for food such as algae and seaweed. These urchins are an excellent algae controller for an aggressive aquarium where other invertebrates would be eaten. When approached by a fish, these urchins will sense their presence, and will defend itself by directing its spines towards its offender.

Be aware, it is venomous, with its sting being roughly equivalent to that of a bee sting."


http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=497+530+591&pcatid=591
 
i have one and dont see any problems except that eventually it will grow too big,love the look and at night it flouresces

Yes, I love their look and how its fluorescent shines at night under LEDs. But, can't get over the bulldozing of my corals. Thanks for the feedback.
 
Those things get HUGE! In the keys I was spear fishing for lionfish and stuck my hand in a huge hole, lets just say I was at the hospital getting a 2 foot long spine out of my arm. :-(
 
I've had them in my tanks in the past. I used to trade them out with an lfs whenever they would get big, and they would get big quickly. I've been poked several times and never experienced any other symptons than the initial poke. No burning/stinging. As long as you mount your corals with cement/glue they won't be knocked over. Very cool animal. Keep it.
 
I've had them in my tanks in the past. I used to trade them out with an lfs whenever they would get big, and they would get big quickly. I've been poked several times and never experienced any other symptons than the initial poke. No burning/stinging. As long as you mount your corals with cement/glue they won't be knocked over. Very cool animal. Keep it.

How big was the tank you held it in? How big is too big for them? Mine is, I estimate, over 5-6". Thanks
 
I've been stuck by those many, many times over the last 15+ years. I had one in my tank that my cousin put in while he was taking care of my tank when I was in South America for 6+ months. When I got back, I took a pretty nasty hit from that one. I forgot it was in my tank and reached down to pick up a coral off the sand, after it must have knocked it off a rock, when, BAM!!!!! I got nailed by at least 15 spines, probably closer to 20. I got hit hard because I completely forgot it was in there so I reached down to pick up the coral without any caution, so it was with a good amount of force. The pain and initial feeling was very similar to a bee sting, but felt much worse because it was like getting stung by 20 bees at the same time. My hand felt like it was on fire, but after about 10-15 minutes the burning sensation was gone, but my hand still pretty tender and swollen. The swelling lasted for about an hour. You shouldn't need to go to the hospital unless you have some sort of allergic reaction to their venom, just like bees & wasps. You definitely won't get a two foot spine stuck in your arm, though. The spines can get pretty long, but a 2' spine is longer than any I've ever seen (I've definitely seen some with spines longer than 1', I've just never seen a 2' spine and don't doubt that the spines could potentially reach 2'), and the spines are extremely brittle, so I can't see any way that two feet of spine would be able to get stuck in your arm. The spine that hits your arm might be two feet long, but they are so brittle that I highly doubt that you could possibly have anything more than a 1" (one inch) tip of the spine stuck in you and even that would probably be pretty rare. The spine is far stronger closer to the carapace of the urchin, so getting it to break off so close to the carapace and not breaking off in the far more brittle tip area of the spine is virtually impossible (I only say it's virtually impossible because crazier things have happened before, but to have a 2 foot spine from a diadema urchin get stuck in your arm without breaking off at the extremely brittle tip of the spine or anywhere else is far more unlikely than winning the PowerBall when it's above $300 million. The pressure from the strike would have to be so perfectly balanced that it's a virtual impossibility in real world conditions.) You might get tiny pieces of the tip of the spine stuck in you that are splinter-sized. I had several of those tiny splinter-sized tips in my hand, but some tweezers took most of them out and the ones that the tweezers couldn't take care of came out over time as my skin cells died, regrew, etc. One thing I found pretty interesting is that the spines leave a small black ink-looking spot where they pierced my skin, kind of like tiny black freckle-sized tattoos. It probably took around 2 months for all of those little black spots to disappear. In my opinion, black long-spine urchins aren't a problem or nuisance other than knocking corals off of rocks. It stinging me was my own fault, so I don't consider that the urchins' problem, I considered it my own stupidity. I have a fondness for diadema urchins for two main reasons. In college, more than 10 years ago, I had one in my tank that I believe was crucial in protecting a few baby Banggai Cardinals. I never even knew that my two Banggais reproduced until I saw three tiny babies living between the diademas spines. Without the protection of the urchin, those 3 cardinals most likely wouldn't have survived from the appetites of other fish. Since then, I've had a lot more affection for long-spine urchins. The other reason I really appreciate diademas is because how important they are to Caribbean reefs. The huge die-off of diademas that occurred in the 80's due to a pathogen has been the biggest factor (in my opinion at least) in the decline in Florida's, and the Caribbean's, coral reefs. They were very important in consuming algae that has plagued our coral reefs for the last 3 decades.

In the end, I think they are great for our reef aquariums, as long as your corals are firmly attached to the rock and you're smart enough to remember that it's in your tank and to be cautious whenever you stick your hands in your tank. Unfortunately, I don't meet the "smart enough to remember that it's in your tank" requirement, so I don't have one in my tank right now :facepalm:.
 
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Thanks, canesfan44! I had an almost similar incident yesterday, when I went to pick up a coral (most probably moved by the urchin) and noticed it just when my arm was about few inches away... So, I may not meet your "smart enough to remember that it's in your tank" requirement! :spin3:
 
I had one that was almost as big as a volleyball. I really liked it, but it had a taste for chalice corals. Needless to say, I move him to the sump and then the LFS. After I took him out of the sump, I noticed that he had been chewing on the electrical cord of a maxi-jet. I guess that might have ended badly if I left him in ther too long.

Oh yeah, I would fail to pay attention and get stuck every once in a while. Wasn't much worse than a normal sliver most of the time, but if the spine broke off it would fester a little.
 
I had one that was almost as big as a volleyball. I really liked it, but it had a taste for chalice corals. Needless to say, I move him to the sump and then the LFS. After I took him out of the sump, I noticed that he had been chewing on the electrical cord of a maxi-jet. I guess that might have ended badly if I left him in ther too long.



Wow! That's crazy. Glad to hear you got him before he did some very serious damage. That could have ended very badly, like a complete tank crash or fire.
 
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