miketron75
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Ive kept bigger stars in smaller tanks for years...you just have to know what u are doing.
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miketron75
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Just wanna toss in a "Thank you" for all the possitive comments, this forum destroys nano-reef.com and has way more competent hobbyists. Thanks!
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What are your methods for keeping stars alive? I, as well as many others, would be genuinely interested in that information.
miketron75
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...and thats tough because you have rocks pritruding above the water in a tidepool...
miketron75
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well ok then,
#1 keep out of the aquarium and quit worrying about it! salinity, temp, and nutrient levels all go up and down in the ocean, especially tidepools. ever notice how people usually dont know they have high nitrate until they test for it! like when you arent in pain until you see the cut!
#2 grow macroalgae to outcompete filimentous algaes and cyno, and use 10-12 hours of way overpowered lighting...this grows lots of microalgaes starfish like linkia, fromia love etc. It works, I do it. I have kept hundreds of linkias in different aquariums this way for years, for example...I have a big orange linkia in a clients 20 gallon tank for 6 years, its still there...that tank has a 250 watt light.
#3 ...see #1! keep hands the hell out of the aquarium and spend time reading instead of knocking peoples tanks online, and realize that starfish die, they have a very specialized anatomy that is totally incompatible with captive conditions, and in the ocean always have symbiotic shrimp that keep them free of crustacean parasites and other ailments(these shrimp die off in transport to the wholesalers). You just cant duplicate the oceans complex microcosms in a glass box and expect very sensitive creatures like starfish with proprietary needs to always survive. its tough and nobody has all the answers, so try stuff, thats what this hobby is about and thats how some major scientific breakthroughs have happened in marine biology, by hobbyist like us observing something new and amazing!
eznet2u
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Maybe I am just not reading this right. It seems to me that these two statements seem to contradict each other.
How can you keep Stars for years, and yet not be able to provide them with what they need from the Ocean?
If you would, Please break it down to the very simplest terms for me.
I have always wanted star fish, but have seen them die quickly in others tanks.
miketron75
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I am confused. #2 and #3 seem to contradict each other...could you explain in very simple terms how you are able to keep them alive for years while not being able to replicate the conditions of the ocean?[/QUOTE]
#2 and #3 dont cantradict each other. Nowhere does #3 claim to duplicate the all of the processes, if you want to argue or prove somebody wrong, go to a rookie thread, I'm not going there with you. I cant explain 35 years of experience in "simple terms' to you. Go read about starfish and go from there...
miketron75
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Dont worry about other peoples tanks, just educate urself and try on ur own, just stop with fish and convert the aquarium to hampster cage if youve killed like 30 starfish!
miketron75
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#2 and #3 dont cantradict each other. Nowhere does #3 claim to duplicate the all of the processes, if you want to argue or prove somebody wrong, go to a rookie thread, I'm not going there with you. I cant explain 35 years of experience in "simple terms' to you. Go read about starfish and go from there...
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what I mean by #3 is that its difficult to keep them obviousely, so whether you have perpfect conditions or terrible, you will lose some. The ocean is full of bulletproof starfish that are very easy to keep, so not ALL starfish are so sensitive...just the ones that are the easiest to capture and prettiest in the tropics for the aquarium trade lol! Seriousely, pacific bat stars and ocra stars are beautiful and you can acclimate them by punting them from across the room into the tank and keep them in hot , cold, any salinity...but they arent for sale because everybody thinks they require cold water.
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You said that you have kept hundreds, and that you have had a lot die, then you get on him for saying that he has seen starfish wither in other peoples tanks.
you seem really quick to assert your expertise but not so willing to help others which is what this whole forum is all about. Many of us would love to keep starfish, and many of us, who are accomplished aquarists, understand the difficulties. You say go and read, well there isn't really anything out there with proven success rates with these animals, so when someone comes in and says they can do it, others will want the secret. It does the community no good for you to say "I can't explain 30 years of experience". Not only does it do the community no good, but it kind of makes you look like a dink.
especially when the "expert" with 30 years of starfish experience starts this thread http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979552
you seem really quick to assert your expertise but not so willing to help others which is what this whole forum is all about. Many of us would love to keep starfish, and many of us, who are accomplished aquarists, understand the difficulties. You say go and read, well there isn't really anything out there with proven success rates with these animals, so when someone comes in and says they can do it, others will want the secret. It does the community no good for you to say "I can't explain 30 years of experience". Not only does it do the community no good, but it kind of makes you look like a dink.
especially when the "expert" with 30 years of starfish experience starts this thread http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979552
miketron75
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#1 , Dont put Expert in quotations, that would signify that I called myself that, you did, not me.I gave some very specific advice and the person did'nt get it for some reason...there is no secret, and my cynasism comes from responses fron people like you who dont READ all of the info and then choose to comment so here it is AGAIN.," grow macroalgae to outcompete filimentous algaes and cyno, and use 10-12 hours of way overpowered lighting...this grows lots of microalgaes starfish like linkia, fromia love etc. It works, I do it. I have kept hundreds of linkias in different aquariums this way for years, for example...I have a big orange linkia in a clients 20 gallon tank for 6 years, its still there...that tank has a 250 watt light."
#2, as far as my link goes...I never said I was the all knowing expert as i stated specificly "nobody has all the answers" in this link, so...I feel there is something to be learned every day in this hobby indefinetly...and buddy, there are mountains of publications on keeping starfish, go find them. AGAIN, READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT., who looks like the dink now??
miketron75
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also, its 35 years of experience, not 30...again, READ then comment.
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I understand, your initial comment was in no way calling yourself an expert
I do read, I read constantly, and am a rather intelligent person, and I have read a lot on the subject of stars, and no one has any methods that are guaranteed to make them last in the home aquarium. You seem to have brought an attitude in with you which is really not conducive to an atmosphere of sharing and learning which is what this community was founded for.
dogstar74
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:sad1:I wonder why the "competent hobbyists" on that forum never came out to discuss your issues.
You're new to RC. Welcome. But I feel as though you came here to show us first your experience and attitude, and secondly your tank. While it is amazing, and your experience will undoubtedly complement this board. Sadly, I smell a moved on. I hope I'm wrong. :sad1:
Nice tank.
Aaron
miketron75
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Josh, YOU SAID "I understand, your initial comment was in no way calling yourself an expert
I do read, I read constantly, and am a rather intelligent person, and I have read a lot on the subject of stars, and no one has any methods that are guaranteed to make them last in the home aquarium. You seem to have brought an attitude in with you which is really not conducive to an atmosphere of sharing and learning which is what this community was founded for. "
AGAIN... read before you comment, what I have said here is exactly what you just said, there is no guaranteed method of keeping stars alive. you may be reading but you aint gettin' it bud. And once more, the word expert does not appear in my links here, only from you. And once again, the attitude comes from dealing with truely uncognative people like you....I'm not here to prove anything, in fact I'm about to cancel my membership here, in the two days if been a member here all I have seen are a bunch of people flexing there knowledge and trying to cut each other down...it very amature. Now go away, your rambling on and not really refering to anything that makes any sense or that I have written. I dont see you responding to how i have pointed out your missunderstanding precisely, why arent you going to talk about that?? You said i gave no advice, I requoted myself with that advice that is IN THIS LINK..ohhh, you'll skip over that wont you because you wanna win an arguement, what about where I said "nobody has all the answers", oohh...dont wanna talk about that either??...dude grow up.
I do read, I read constantly, and am a rather intelligent person, and I have read a lot on the subject of stars, and no one has any methods that are guaranteed to make them last in the home aquarium. You seem to have brought an attitude in with you which is really not conducive to an atmosphere of sharing and learning which is what this community was founded for. "
AGAIN... read before you comment, what I have said here is exactly what you just said, there is no guaranteed method of keeping stars alive. you may be reading but you aint gettin' it bud. And once more, the word expert does not appear in my links here, only from you. And once again, the attitude comes from dealing with truely uncognative people like you....I'm not here to prove anything, in fact I'm about to cancel my membership here, in the two days if been a member here all I have seen are a bunch of people flexing there knowledge and trying to cut each other down...it very amature. Now go away, your rambling on and not really refering to anything that makes any sense or that I have written. I dont see you responding to how i have pointed out your missunderstanding precisely, why arent you going to talk about that?? You said i gave no advice, I requoted myself with that advice that is IN THIS LINK..ohhh, you'll skip over that wont you because you wanna win an arguement, what about where I said "nobody has all the answers", oohh...dont wanna talk about that either??...dude grow up.
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miketron75
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Thanks,
the reason for my hostility is the instant barag of dumbasses challenging stupid aspects of things, like semantics and not tech talk or facts...I probly will move on because this is an annoying forum...this little tank of mine is just a little afterthought type project, i dont need to have to write a novel about my link...its like going around in a dumb circle. I was hoping to talk about cool stuff and discuss stuff about the hobby, not be attacked by people who if they would just read what I wrote early in the links they wouldnt need to get all bent outta shape over nothing, this is a common problem in the world today, people dont listen and just start to the 'shoot first ask questions later" thing...not a good way to be.
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I believe the word you are searching for is "immature"
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Barrage? I'm not sure what a barag is.
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