Time for a symbiodinium (symbiotic algae) thread

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Alright, i have finally been able to read the first few chapters on this book:


The Reef aquarium Vol:1
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In the first or second chapter, the authors touch briefly on the different sp. of symbiotic algae. They also say that there are different growth rates among these different species (they deposit bicarbonate more quickly than others).

This has me wondering, what corals are known to have different symbiotic algae and are these corals growth rates directly related to the type of symbiotic algae hosted within them?

Anyone else interested in this topic? Its very new to me and would like some more info on it other than the brief description that was in the book.
 
I believe there is a list of references in the back of the book. I would suggest starting there. IIRC, some of the most current research is exploring this exact topic, so a lot of the information that you're looking for may not be known.
 
Thanks, I somehow did't think of the index as a resource lol....

Anyone know when/where we should be looking for this info when it becomes availible?

Imagine the implications....geneticly modified corals....taking the zooxanthelle from a xenia and getting it to work with something else....hahaha
 
its a thought, and it has already been done, to some extent.

if you go to the aquaculture page and look at the pink paly nukular green mix thread, it is awesome!

that has me wondering if this would work w/ sps?

maybe take single isolated polyps and split them? will try next year w/ aquaculture club, will post results
 
I think it's important to point out that The Reef Aquarium, Volume One was published 15 years ago.

The science on this topic has advanced a lot since then. I agree that you can find a lot of current information online using Google's scholar search feature.

Andrew C. Baker and Todd C. LaJeunesse are experts in this area. I used to have a link to one of Baker's articles that I liked but I lost all of my links when my old computer crashed last November.

Eric Borneman has written a very nice article that you may find helpful. In fact, if you read Eric's article, you really don't need to bother with the more technical stuff written by Baker and LaJeunesse because Eric has summarized their stuff in his article.

:D

P.S. -- I used Google scholar search to find that 2003 article by Andrew C. Baker for you. It's 32 pages long. Happy reading! :D
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15063136#post15063136 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ninong
P.S. -- I used Google scholar search to find that 2003 article by Andrew C. Baker for you. It's 32 pages long. Happy reading! :D

Ninong,

Thanks for the link. A great update regarding the symbiotic algae, particularly symbiodinium which seem to dominate.

It seems that the dinoflagellates are all I read about as far as forming a symbiosis with coral, perhaps due to their parasitic nature. Not much that I can find regarding bacterial symbiosis with coral. ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15064030#post15064030 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
It seems that the dinoflagellates are all I read about as far as forming a symbiosis with coral, perhaps due to their parasitic nature.
Symbiodinium have a mutualistic relationship with their coral hosts, not a parasitic one. Both the zooxanthellae and the coral benefit from this symbiotic relationship. The very name of the genus, Symbiodinium, is a combination of symbiotic and dinoflagellate.

I'm not sure I understand the point you were trying to make.
 
I find it surprising that the coral only use the few selected dinoflagellates as symbioants. I would speculate that there may be some bacteria that have a symbiotic relationship with the coral also. I have seen no research to back this up though. ;)

I guess my question would be better stated as, Why do the coral pick dinoflagellates as opposed to other available algae and bacteria? Perhaps the fact that many of the dinoflagellates are parasitic in nature which allowed them access to the coral's tissues at the very beginning, which enabled the start of this symbiotic relationship in the first place? :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15067608#post15067608 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
I find it surprising that the coral only use the few selected dinoflagellates as symbioants. I would speculate that there may be some bacteria that have a symbiotic relationship with the coral also. I have seen no research to back this up though. ;)

I guess my question would be better stated as, Why do the coral pick dinoflagellates as opposed to other available algae and bacteria?
The symbiotic relationship between zooxanthellae and corals has developed over hundreds of millions of years. In the case of zooxanthellae, they provide nutrition to their coral hosts via photosynthesis and the host provides a nice place for them to live.

Mutualistic relationships do exist between virtually all animals and beneficial bacteria and I suspect that they do exist between bacteria and corals, too.

The most obvious example of a mutualistic (meaning symbiotic) relationship between bacteria and animals can be seen in the digestive tract. Humans, for example, have hundreds of different species of bacteria that live in the GI tract (approximately three pounds of bacteria to be exact). We provide them a place to live and they provide their services in digesting food. We have evolved to be omnivores and our GI bacteria are capable of handling a wide array of food items. The same cannot be said for all animals. Just look at panda bears for example. Or look at all the different genera of reef fishes, many of which are quite specialized in their diet.

If we want to look for a mutualistic relationship between bacteria and corals, I suggest we first look at the mutualistic relationship between humans and the hundreds of different species of bacteria that live on the surface of our skin. These bacteria help us resist pathogens by denying them space for colonization. Might not the same be true for corals?

By the way, using an antibiotic bath soap makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you are getting ready to perform surgery, you should use regular soap that does not have any antibiotic properties. The bacteria that live on the surface of the skin (and hair) are good guys. They help us fight off the bad bacteria that would do us harm. However, even the good guys can cause infection if they get in the wrong place. That why you have to use an antibiotic spray or cream on open cuts. That's also why you never, ever want the bacteria that inhabit the GI tract to get loose inside your body.

It's all a matter of location. Inside the GI tract, the digestive bacteria are good guys doing the job they have evolved to do over millennia. Outside the GI tract they can cause big trouble. The same goes for the bacteria on the surface of our bodies. They're fine as long as you don't cut yourself but they can and will cause infection if they get beneath the skin.

Might not the same hold true for corals? Maybe most of the bacteria that live in coral slime are good guys that help their coral hosts fight off pathogens? Maybe it's only when this defensive system breaks down that pathogens are able to overwhelm the coral? We know a lot about human flora but little about the same bacterial mutualism in other animals, especially marine animals.
 
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Nitrogen fixation (acetylene reduction) in stony corals: Evidence for coral-bacteria interactions
Shashar, N | Cohen, Y | Loya, Y | Sar, N
Marine ecology progress series. Oldendorf [MAR. ECOL. PROG. SER.]. Vol. 111, no. 3, pp. 259-264. 1994.
http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrec...ria+symbiosis+coral&uid=1376372&setcookie=yes

Diversity and distribution of coral-associated
bacteria
http://www.int-res.com/articles/meps2002/243/m243p001.pdf

IMHO, the bacterial relationships with coral will prove to be more important than the dinoflagellate relationships. ;)
 
The first article may be the reason why many hobbyists are dosing glucose and finding this provides better results than some of the other carbon sources.
 
I would speculate that there may be some bacteria that have a symbiotic relationship with the coral also.
There are. Some deep-water corals house cyanobacteria within their cells in addition to Symbiodinium and all corals have non-random associations with surface bacteria. There has been speculation that these surface bacteria are purposely farmed by the corals and make up a significant part of the diet of many species. They also harbor many opportunistic/harmful bacteria though that can easily kill them when water chemistry is altered (e.g. C increased).

Trying to understand the bacterial component in the coral holosymbiont is one of the most active fields of research in reef ecology right now.
 
Here is one of the rescent articles I have read regarding Mycoplasmas:

Tissue-Associated "Candidatus Mycoplasma corallicola" and Filamentous Bacteria on the Cold-Water Coral Lophelia pertusa (Scleractinia) ,
Sven C. Neulinger,1* Andrea Gärtner,2 Johanna Järnegren,3 Martin Ludvigsen,4 Karin Lochte,1 and Wolf-Christian Dullo2

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/75/5/1437
 
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