Trade Secrets of the Polyp Pimps-

Ah- I see what you mean....I never looked at it from that angle....

Lets see....where to start....

You would be surprised how many people actually do know about these methods. About 12 years ago, all these were common practices, and many people doing it, unwittingly I am sure, shared what they were doing with the general public, not expecting the backlash from us hobbiests and enthusiests. They thought they were making cool polyps for us.....but really they were harming/killing coral, and selling morphed polyps with very poor survivability odds.

It all started very inoccently really. just some reefers trying to get some cooler polyps to share, not taking into consideration the big picture and impact of what they were doing. Selling polyps near death/on the verge of melting. Morphed polyps by these extreme methods have very poor survivability rates.

I wont be buying any $1000 polyps....ever....and for those that do, and get their hands on some of these "hypermorphed" polyps will have to learn a hard earned lesson when they melt....thats why I am sharing this information. yeah- it may increase the # of people trying to scam some quick bands, but will also teach some valuable lessons to the consumers.

I am hopping that anyone spending a chunk of change will do their research first, before buying a polyp with an insane price tag....."hypermorpher" are usually "one hit wonders" in the hobby, taking advantage of the current situation of comercialism of the hobby. They dont last long selling polyps for a ton of $$$ that melt. They are usually exposed rather quickly and people stop buying from them....as I said- sucker born every minute and someone born every 2 minutes to take advantage.

There are many high end coral sellers out there that are legit.....dont get me wrong....

Like I mentioned above, there are some serious vendors out there with top notch stuff, that get the best of the best maricultured polyps, or have mastered offering individual types of corals their best pristine conditions to look their best and survive.

Not all insane corals are a scam, and just to be clear- cornbred corals (and many other high end coral sellers) in my experience is legit as far as methods of husbandry. I lost count of how many cornbred peices I have seen first hand....but its still a zoa polyp....I can understand the prices on some of the LPS....but a single zoa polyp? Its a weed.....very pretty weed, but still a weed....any weed given long enough to survive will grow a flower if given a chance, but will you buy it for top dollar and plant it in your bluegrass front yard? Thats insane....

I am hoping the pro's overide any con's that may become of this thread, but you know me- Ive never been afraid to "rattle the cage"

Interesting.

I have never heard about any of this.

I just thought all the super expensive stuff was Photoshoped.

I hear about all the "Old Timers" talking about how it was back in the day.

- People were afraid to frag corals.
- Frag Swaps were at people's houses and everything was in bags.
- Back then you bought Colonies there was no such thing as a frag.
- etc.

But they never mentioned this.

I know Corals "Morph" but I didn't know people were "Experimenting" and trying to Force them to Morph on purpose.

I just thought all these Expensive Corals were all Photoshoped to get those Crazy Colors.

So yeah the first thing I thought was of that documentary I watched.

I figured the only people that knew these "Secrets" were the ones doing it and now the world knows.

But I can't be the only one that didn't know and I know there are people not as honest as myself.

So I felt they would take that knowledge and bring more $1,000 polyps to the Hobby.

Hopefully I am wrong.

We will have to wait and see.
 
I have been around a while too but I guess you are more in the know than me.

Maybe on this topic- thats why I am sharing.

Ive seen your tank, the longevity of your coral list, the health of your coral/polyps....and you are succesfull in the hobby and your endevors to spread captive grown corals....

You have seen my tanks....you are in the know more than me on many subject too. :thumbsup:
 
So I am guessing that you know somebody that does this?

How else would you know all these secrets?

A lot of reefers know this, they just choose not to share it.

I've been reefing 25 years and 23 years of exclusively growing zoanthids, palythoas, proto palythoas and mushrooms. I've owned and grown thousands. I posted a thread in this forum 8 years ago entitled " Bleaching - Intentional Premeditative Color Shifting. Why? ". You can search that title and read it. What Sir Patrick is conveying is true. I've seen it and inadvertently done it over 10 years ago. There are things I've discovered that I have never shared and will never share as it will be used exclusively to make exhorbinent amounts of money. I almost wish SP hadn't share it but I know he had good intentions. I even regretted posting my thread just days later. There are other ways to literally ( I don't want to say CREATE ) produced polyps from other polyps that look different. There's someone right here in this forum years ago who did it. I won't share his name but he can if he chooses to do so. It can even be done by happenstance without even trying to produce something different.

MUCHO REEF
 
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I agree, SIR PATRICK, makes some great points.

The link didn't work but I figured it out. Wow...spot on in that piece.

Mooch
 
No one else has any experiences to share on the topic?

Ive still got a few more trade secrets to touch base on...but hoping to hear some experience from everyone before I do.
 
I had a 3 polyp frag that become unglued from a rocks and floated and got loss some where in my tank for several months. I thought it was a goner until I saw it again recently. I was pale and bleached. I glued it back more firmly and let it recovered. It is now growing and colored up. It certainly does not look like what it did before. It was yellowish, but not more green with some sparkly specks. Thank you for this thread it has give me a better perspective on what is being done and make me more wary of the latest fad polyps.
 
Not a zoa but..
As bought..
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After letting the tank get nasty, (trying to see what it would take to get it to spread quick)
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It dropped about 6 babies and they all stayed like this..
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No one else has any experiences to share on the topic?

Ive still got a few more trade secrets to touch base on...but hoping to hear some experience from everyone before I do.

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People are using gel filters all the time now to try and create "what they see" . I don't see why people are doing this. Only reason would be because you are shooting under all blue LEDs and you don't want to turn your whites on or learn how to take a good picture. And some just use them to straight up screw with the picture and make the coral into a rainbow... I find gel filters to be lazy, sometimes shady and useless to me. And yes it's very hard to read sentences (and sometimes even just words) that are typed as paragraphs... Organizm, after I got to the bottom of your post I was laughing but also irritated deep down.

Let's revive this thread.
 
Back before the internet ( I really mean 90s), Saving Nemo, and the hobby taking off you would order Zoos by sizes. And when I say order I mean from exporter, trans-shipper, or even distributor. They would list them on a price sheet with several sizes and that was your only choices. It was literally like Christmas back then because not only did you not know what you were getting, you were guaranteed to get some premium stuff because it wasn't being held back or sold at a premium. I haven't seen a list in years but 10 years ago when I closed down my store you would have listings for damn near every color zoo imaginable. Back then the pinks were the cat's meow and the most expensive.

This hobby like many other things has been ruined by capitalism.
 
Has anyone tried any of these methods? I had some extra polyps and decided to run an experiment. I figured I would try an ice bath, the results are interesting, but not mind blowing. Just wondering if anyone else tried and what happened when they did
 
A friend put me on to this thread. I find it an extremely interesting read. I was sad to see that I had reached the end.

Insane prices seem to be common place in the hobby now. I can understand the ethics of selling corals on the brink of melting, but morphing corals is not entirely different from breeding snakes for morphs or dogs for specific traits etc. I suppose it depends on the brutality to which the coral is exposed to achieve that morph.

I think intentionally killing coral is quite sad but how many corals have been killed unintentionally by uneducated hobbyists. More to the point by pushing corals to the brink of what they can handle could lead to a breakthrough on how to make them more resilient making aquaculture better for everyone and possibly helping wild reefs.

I would love to read more on this topic so off to Google I go. I hope this thread comes back to life!

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