Trying to save a puffer

dsalman1

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So my dogface puffer has ick bad. I gave him another fresh water dip but I am not thinking of using copper. Trying low salt levels and warmer water, but I need to kill this ick quickly

Will using coppersafe be all that bad at this point of time. He does still eat
 
best thing you can do it to keep him stress free as possible, and have clean water. Then he should be okay.
 
best thing you can do it to keep him stress free as possible, and have clean water. Then he should be okay.

I also hear sprinkling garlic while swinging a cross works sometimes. ;)

To the OP: Your best option is probably tank transfer (sticky here). Just use a colander to transfer him and make the transfer quick - don't expose him to air for too long. How big is your puffer?
 
Thinking massive water change, like 80 percent, would that help

No. You need to read this to understand how Ich works: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1992196

If the puffer is too large for TT, then your remaining options are copper or hypo. Hypo would be easiest on the puffer, but is difficult to apply successfully and doesn't always work. And puffers are a known copper sensitive species, so that would be risky.

Your only other possible "thinking outside the box" solution would be this: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2136214
 
Well, most likely won't make it till morning, salt in hypo state ready. If alive I will start the protein skimmer again. If not dump everything else out and shut it down.
 
You can use certain coppers with puffers and sensative fish. You just can't go fast with it. You have to acclimate them slowly to it. I used cupramine with my porcupine puffer at 0.35-.0.40 ppm. I did 1 drop per gallon every other day until I got to 0.35-0.40 ppm. I held it there for 4 weeks. I had to do water changes and add cupramine to the fresh salt water as well keeping in mind the drops per gallon used in the qt and retest the qt water to ensure the dosage was not exceeded. I'm not sure how sensative dogface puffers are, but you could try 1 drop per 2 gallons every other day. Do not do hypo and copper at the same time. You may have to bring up the salinity slowly in order to do the copper treatment. I did buy some Chloroquine Phosphate to have on hand for any future fish to try, but have never used it yet since the copper did the trick with the fish I currently have.
 
So a couple of days of fresh water dips and puffer is doing much better. When he came up big piece of velvet type stuff came off. So I guess I need to treat the water. Should I just put in copper. Don't really want to Stress the puffer, but not sure if water is safe
 
So a couple of days of fresh water dips and puffer is doing much better. When he came up big piece of velvet type stuff came off. So I guess I need to treat the water. Should I just put in copper. Don't really want to Stress the puffer, but not sure if water is safe

If it's Velvet, then the puffer and all his (fish) tankmates need to be treated.

How big a tank and how many other fish? FO or reef? Any inverts?
 
Fish only tank, right now I think fish OK. 6 fish left. Will fresh water kill it if I take fish out and empty salt water and fill with tab water. The drain and put new salt water, I use RO
 
Fish only tank, right now I think fish OK. 6 fish left. Will fresh water kill it if I take fish out and empty salt water and fill with tab water. The drain and put new salt water, I use RO

IF THIS IS VELVET, all fish need to be treated with copper in a hospital tank. The f/w dip only provides temp relief. Going fallow in your DT for 6 weeks will eradicate Velvet in there.

Only other option would be to treat the DT with copper; something I don't recommend.
 
I was trying to not stress puffer with too much copper. Qt is only 40 so too small for all fish. This will always be a dt so may be copper there is best although slowly to have puffer use to it. So this stuff lives in fresh tab water? I have Mel blue too if that helps
 
I was trying to not stress puffer with too much copper. Qt is only 40 so too small for all fish. This will always be a dt so may be copper there is best although slowly to have puffer use to it. So this stuff lives in fresh tab water? I have Mel blue too if that helps

If you drained your tank and filled it with fresh water, you would kill all of the nitrifying bacteria and uncycle your tank. If you have to treat in-tank, your only option for Velvet is copper. But I would be sure this is Velvet before you go thru all that. It sounds like many of your fish are surviving, and that's atypical for Velvet.
 
I agree that is not my best choice but it's also like setting up a new aquarium where you have to put something in the water to start it up. Velvet is really hard to determine but the fish have all the symptoms of it I have lost over half of them so I think it's a matter of time with the rest co but who knows maybe that's not what it is should I just put a half dose of copper and see how that works so it doesn't hurt puffer
 
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