Ttm advice

[spsrookie]

Right now my fish are in 100 gallon set up with cupramine. It has been 4 weeks so far.

In another two weeks, I will being ttm, 2 fish at a time, for 2 weeks, which will leave my tank fallow for 8 weeks.

Question is, being they have been in copper, would the ttm just be added stress/over kill treatment?

Also, two of the fish are delicate, a Moorish idol, and Achilles tang. Any advice for set up in ttm? I know flow and water quality are big with these guys, how can I best achieve that in rubbermaid.containers?

Lastly, I always thought it was move fish before 72 hours? My LFS guy told me every 24?

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[spsrookie]

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichartmar.htm

If you scroll down to "crypt free systems", you will see where Bob days once in your system, going fallow will help minimize it, but it.will be there.

If I am misreading it, I apologize.

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[snorvich]

Right now my fish are in 100 gallon set up with cupramine. It has been 4 weeks so far.

In another two weeks, I will being ttm, 2 fish at a time, for 2 weeks, which will leave my tank fallow for 8 weeks.

Question is, being they have been in copper, would the ttm just be added stress/over kill treatment?

Also, two of the fish are delicate, a Moorish idol, and Achilles tang. Any advice for set up in ttm? I know flow and water quality are big with these guys, how can I best achieve that in rubbermaid.containers?

Lastly, I always thought it was move fish before 72 hours? My LFS guy told me every 24?

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You need a new LFS guy. Everything you need to know is here.

 

[snorvich]

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichartmar.htm

If you scroll down to "crypt free systems", you will see where Bob days once in your system, going fallow will help minimize it, but it.will be there.

If I am misreading it, I apologize.

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I care not what he says, and in this case, again, he is wrong. But if you keep quoting him, I suggest following his advice and I will stop providing mine.

 

[spsrookie]

Please no. I will not mention that, I was just appalled and how the "industry expert" can lead people to think that there's no sense striving for ich free environment, becuase it's inevitable.

I'm following you advice Steve, again I will not repost any outside material. Was not doing it to start a debate, just perplexed.

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[snorvich]

Please no. I will not mention that, I was just appalled and how the "industry expert" can lead people to think that there's no sense striving for ich free environment, becuase it's inevitable.

I'm following you advice Steve, again I will not repost any outside material. Was not doing it to start a debate, just perplexed.

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I will not be offended in the slightest if you prefer his advice. Debates are not for me.

:beer:

 

[snorvich]

Remember, you will need observation time after TTM. Does your LFS run copper.

 

[spsrookie]

I will not be offended in the slightest if you prefer his advice. Debates are not for me.

:beer:

I certainly do not want his advice. If I did believe in his, I would not be quarantining, perhaps I wouldn't even have a tank anymore. If I felt ich was inevitable, I would not partake in this hobby anymore

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[spsrookie]

Remember, you will need observation time after TTM. Does your LFS run copper.

Most of these fish came from live aquaria (not divers den). The few that did come.from lfs, the best answer I get is "copper as needed"

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[spsrookie]

Remember, you will need observation time after TTM. Does your LFS run copper.

That's a skip I may have to skip. Once I start ttm, the only two tanks I have for them to be placed is main tank which is now fallow, and qt, which was not long ago my display, rock taken out, moved to new tank, which most likely would still have ich cysts in there waiting to hatch out.

From what I understand, the 6 weeks of copper, and 2 week ttm, should double insure.me against ich. I am running prazi right now as well.

To get another new tank, equally as large and cycled, free of ich to observe, would remove me from this hobby.

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[spsrookie]

That first paragraph even confused me.

What I am trying to say, is the new.main tank, with existing live rock, is currently fallow, and would have been 8 weeks before reintroduction of fish. That's landing option number one after ttm.

The second option is the coppered 75 gallon qt they are in currently.

If.I were to now remove the copper, and reintroduce fish for observation, being the tank was only coppered 6 weeks, any ich that hatches out up to the 72 day period, would not be met with copper, and could easily reinfect the fish, starting at square one.

Comes down to I have the qt there in, a few small rubbermaids for ttm, and my 180 display sitting fallow. Those are the cards in front of me, I am trying to make the most out of.

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[spsrookie]

My best plan may be to, run 6 weeks, pull copper out via water change and carbon, leave fish in there copperless for a few weeks for observation, before doing ttm

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[vinhle00]

Your best plan is to just TTM. Drop the idea of copper. If you want to be certain; clean the tanks well and dry completely between each transfer and do extra transfer after the 4th transfer. After your done regardless where you get the fish from you should do at least 5 weeks observation in a fresh clean cycled QT. you can set one up using bio spira a week before you're done with TTM.

 

[snorvich]

Your best plan is to just TTM. Drop the idea of copper. If you want to be certain; clean the tanks well and dry completely between each transfer and do extra transfer after the 4th transfer. After your done regardless where you get the fish from you should do at least 5 weeks observation in a fresh clean cycled QT. you can set one up using bio spira a week before you're done with TTM.

Which is what I recommended.

 

[spsrookie]

Your best plan is to just TTM. Drop the idea of copper. If you want to be certain; clean the tanks well and dry completely between each transfer and do extra transfer after the 4th transfer. After your done regardless where you get the fish from you should do at least 5 weeks observation in a fresh clean cycled QT. you can set one up using bio spira a week before you're done with TTM.

That would mean to get another tank to cycle and keep fresh after ttm for observation?

That I cant do, fiance will never listen to the first sentence asking that.

If it were up to me, ID have 7 tanks.

8 seeks fallow, 6 weeks fish in copper, 2 sessions of prazi, followed by 5 ttm transfers every 70 hours is what I'll be able to do with out finding a new place to live.

Once done, I will bleach and drain 75, let air dry for weeks, refill and cycle for any new fish I get 6 months down the road.

Any advice for ttm set up on Moorish idol and Achilles would be appreciated

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[Jeff4777]

That would mean to get another tank to cycle and keep fresh after ttm for observation?

That I cant do, fiance will never listen to the first sentence asking that.

If it were up to me, ID have 7 tanks.

8 seeks fallow, 6 weeks fish in copper, 2 sessions of prazi, followed by 5 ttm transfers every 70 hours is what I'll be able to do with out finding a new place to live.

Once done, I will bleach and drain 75, let air dry for weeks, refill and cycle for any new fish I get 6 months down the road.

Any advice for ttm set up on Moorish idol and Achilles would be appreciated

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Yeah man I feel you.. my wife instantly shot down my multiple 40g breeder rack proposal... I let her chill out for a day without mentioning it again and then brought it up a second time. Just got to say the right things, you know your woman best. Lol. :love2:

Setting those tanks up now as I received clearance. haha

Edit - I use bins for TTM though and not glass tanks. My glass tanks are for QT / observation. Even have a dedicated formalin dip container since I don't want that chemical leeching out when I don't want it to.

 

[spsrookie]

Like Rubbermaid bins? 50 watt heaters? What kind of pump?

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[vinhle00]

Like Rubbermaid bins? 50 watt heaters? What kind of pump?

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Should go with just a cheap Air pump connected to a tube and air stone. Discard the air stone and tubing once you've transfer. Petco has some pretty cheap ones.regular pumps and powerhead wont dry very well as there are more cracks that traps water in them. With air stones they're cheap and you dont have to worry about drying it. Just put in new tube and air stones for the next tank.

 

[spsrookie]

Is that enough flow for Achilles and Moorish idol?

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[Jeff4777]

Yeah Rubbermaid bins, brute cans, glass tanks, or really whatever you want. Any size heater depending on how large you choose your containers to be. For pump I just use an air stone and throw away the hose/air stone each transfer.