Ttm advice

[krullshards]

Yeah Rubbermaid bins, brute cans, glass tanks, or really whatever you want. Any size heater depending on how large you choose your containers to be. For pump I just use an air stone and throw away the hose/air stone each transfer.

I think that the original question was concerning the stated needs of these fish to have strong currents for long term survival. I believe OP is asking how to recreate the currents in a quarantine setup.

I have no experience with Achilles Tangs and Moorish Idols (outside of really wanting an Achilles because it is a sweet looking fish) so I can't say if no/low currents in QT would be a problem or how long they can survive without it.

That said, I had bought a cheap Petco powerhead to aerate my 29 gallon QT while I was running prazi and it created a decent current. I would probably not bother with having a current in the TTM tanks since they are going to be in there for so short a time. Maybe wait till the last transfer to the observation tank to put in a powerhead to create the current that they need.

 

[Jeff4777]

I think that the original question was concerning the stated needs of these fish to have strong currents for long term survival. I believe OP is asking how to recreate the currents in a quarantine setup.

I have no experience with Achilles Tangs and Moorish Idols (outside of really wanting an Achilles because it is a sweet looking fish) so I can't say if no/low currents in QT would be a problem or how long they can survive without it.

That said, I had bought a cheap Petco powerhead to aerate my 29 gallon QT while I was running prazi and it created a decent current. I would probably not bother with having a current in the TTM tanks since they are going to be in there for so short a time. Maybe wait till the last transfer to the observation tank to put in a powerhead to create the current that they need.

What? I was responding to:

Like Rubbermaid bins? 50 watt heaters? What kind of pump?

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Anyways, if you want more flow for your tangs use a cheap power head, just be super certain it completely dried out after a transfer.

 

[krullshards]

What? I was responding to:



Anyways, if you want more flow for your tangs use a cheap power head, just be super certain it completely dried out after a transfer.

Oh, hah. Sorry. I thought your pump comment at the end was in reference to the flow question.

I agree with you regarding the pump. It might be hard to dry it inside and out. within the time frame for TTM so gotta make sure it is dry.

 

[spsrookie]

May skip that step. If copper kills ich, like we have thought for years, the ttm seems like an extra step that stresses already high energy fish.

The 3 known methods of treating ich are hypo, copper and ttm. Never says to do 2 out of 3, or all 3.

If the copper doesn't work, well, apparently everything I've ever read about fish is off, and really, what do we know

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[snorvich]

May skip that step. If copper kills ich, like we have thought for years, the ttm seems like an extra step that stresses already high energy fish.

The 3 known methods of treating ich are hypo, copper and ttm. Never says to do 2 out of 3, or all 3.

If the copper doesn't work, well, apparently everything I've ever read about fish is off, and really, what do we know

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Copper will kill ich if it is at therapeutic dose for 72 days. TTM eliminates ich in 12 days. TTM is not stressful. Copper damages fish kidneys. I can see you have learned little from this thread so I will leave you to your own devices going forward.

 

[Jeff4777]

May skip that step. If copper kills ich, like we have thought for years, the ttm seems like an extra step that stresses already high energy fish.

The 3 known methods of treating ich are hypo, copper and ttm. Never says to do 2 out of 3, or all 3.

If the copper doesn't work, well, apparently everything I've ever read about fish is off, and really, what do we know

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Do what you want but understand that copper is way worse for the fish than TTM. Copper doesn't kill ich when its in a cyst waiting to hatch.. So as mentioned above, you need to leave it at full concentration for 72 days. Otherwise one will hatch and find a host fish if copper is removed after a few weeks. I can find no documentation copper kills of ich in all its life stages. Not to mention if the ich wasn't killed with copper you may not know it because the copper can be masking the disease for a while..

I played off the ideas of hypo, copper, and ttm for a while. In the end its obvious ttm is the way to go. There is no need to combine it with copper.

We know the life cycle of ich, apply that knowledge with ttm. It just makes sense and seems like the only choice to me.. If you do ttm with all new fish before going into QT it even gives you a chance to do prazi treatments every other transfer and you can do a formalin dip upon arrival. That plus 4+ weeks of observation in a sterile QT afterwards is sound way to keep nasty stuff out of your DT.

 

[spsrookie]

Do what you want but understand that copper is way worse for the fish than TTM. Copper doesn't kill ich when its in a cyst waiting to hatch.. So as mentioned above, you need to leave it at full concentration for 72 days. Otherwise one will hatch and find a host fish if copper is removed after a few weeks. I can find no documentation copper kills of ich in all its life stages. Not to mention if the ich wasn't killed with copper you may not know it because the copper can be masking the disease for a while..

I played off the ideas of hypo, copper, and ttm for a while. In the end its obvious ttm is the way to go. There is no need to combine it with copper.

We know the life cycle of ich, apply that knowledge with ttm. It just makes sense and seems like the only choice to me.. If you do ttm with all new fish before going into QT it even gives you a chance to do prazi treatments every other transfer and you can do a formalin dip upon arrival. That plus 4+ weeks of observation in a sterile QT afterwards is sound way to keep nasty stuff out of your DT.

Thank you kindly for that response. Not condescending, snarky or telling me if I as little as mention or reference another author, I should just go follow there advice and you would provide yours.

It's not that I don't want to do things right, but I have seen aforementioned poster on here take three very different stands on copper in the last couple years.

I am typing on my phone, so finding said posts, copying and pasting really isn't practical, but it's been said copper for full 72 day treatment at therapeutic dose. Fair enough. Then they will say 4 weeks of copper, much different then 72. Lastly, they wrote to me copper is not effective.

That's alot of time and money at stake, for something that seems so wishy washy.

Again, thank you for your explanation and ability to do it respectfully

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