Tunze 6305 VS Ecotech MP60wES

[dirk_brijs]

which one would you use and why?

Tunze 6305
Turbelle® stream 6305

* For aquariums > 3,000 litres (792 USgal.).
* Flow rate: 9,000 to 30,000 l/h (2,377 to 7,925 USgal./h).
* Energy consumption: max. 64 W.
* Voltage / frequency: 100 "“ 240 V / 50 "“ 60 Hz.
* Cable length: 5 m (196.8 in).
* Dimensions: diam. 90 mm (3.5 in.), Outlet: diam. 63 mm (2.48 in.).
* Magnet Holder up to a glass thickness of 25 mm (.98 in.).
Eco-energetic
The innovative motor based on the eco-energetic concept and newly developed pump technology ensures a very high efficiency with very low maintenance and power consumption.
Very silent run
Special plastic bearings, a titanium-alloy axle and silicone absorbers enable a very silent run without wear which applies for smaller models as well as for the powerful pump delivering 30,000 l/h. (7,925 USgal./h). Large suction area
The water which is drawn in passes through a giant intake strainer, and thus prevents premature clogging.

Vortech MP60wES
The Vortech MP60 water pump is the EcoTech Marine's most significant product announcement since the VorTech MP10. After years of serving the mid and high range of aquarium water pumps, the Vortech MP60 delivers a mind busting 5500 GPH while holding itself up on tanks with glass up to 1.25″ thick. The diameter of the motor assembly and wetside begin at 4″ but taper down to 3″; although the flow rate is much more than a Vortech MP40, the Vortech MP60 is only slightly larger in physical dimensions. EcoTech Marine has not yet showed off this pump since the MACNA show floor is not yet open, but be sure to follow the break for full press release, as well as our first hands on of the beta Vortech MP60 that we've been testing out this past week.

Flow: 2,500 "“ 5,500 GPH
Wattage: 10 "“ 60 watts
Maximum Tank Thickness: 1.25″ (range 3/8″ "“ 1.25″)
Appropriate Tank Size Range: 120 to 1000+ gallons

 

[Johnny C]

I assume you haven't heard, but Ecotech-Marine just announced that the MP60 will push 7,500GPH versus the 5,500 they originally stated. :eek2:

 

[dirk_brijs]

I assume you haven't heard, but Ecotech-Marine just announced that the MP60 will push 7,500GPH versus the 5,500 they originally stated. :eek2:

Copied the info above from their website so guess they havent updated that yet?

 

[dirk_brijs]

please state some of the reason why you prefer one over the other.

 

[leslie hempel]

being somone who owned vortech and never owned tunze im a little underqualified to compare the 2 but it it says anything i am looking at tunze for my future tank..

good luck both nice pumps ..

 

[teesquare]

I own both Vortechs and Tunzes. I like them both, for different reasons.

The easiest comparison I can give is this:
Tunze- been around for a long time. Great longevity and customer service. Can be angled to fine tune the flow that you want where you want it. BUt, bulky and you have motor and cord inside the tank.

Vortech - Great customer service, but as any newer technology they seem to be tweaking the product to work out a few kinks. And - the fact that you cannot aim them as they only attach via magnet directly to the glass means you cannot angle them to bounce current off a tank wall etc.
However - they are much more compact than a Tunze, and they eliminate having a motor or cord inside the tank.


They both perform great, I just think it is a mistake to pit one of them against the other directly. They are just different enough that it is not easy to do a direct comparison in actual use. Pick the job you want one of either of these for, and they will do the job they were intended for better than anything else in the marketplace.


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[solitude127]

Is noise an issue? If so, go with Tunze's. My MP40s are quiet but not silent. It would be interesting to hear a noise comparison between the MP40 and MP60. That said, I really like my MP40s

 

[theatrus]

Tunze are super solid - I'm still running the original Streams with 0 issues after 4 years.

I'm under qualified on the Vortech - I only run an MP10es on a nano. So far its great for that application, but is not super silent.

 

[reefsic]

Is noise an issue? If so, go with Tunze's. My MP40s are quiet but not silent. It would be interesting to hear a noise comparison between the MP40 and MP60. That said, I really like my MP40s

+1 on noise. I've owned a pair of MP40's and they were just to loud for me. Also, I purchased them used from a local hobbyist and the shaft snapped on me twice within a 3 month period after Customer Service had just replaced them... which left a bad taste in my mouth. :furious:

Again, this is just my own personal experience with the MP40 Model; cant speak for the MP60. I would have to say Tunzes all the way!

GL

 

[reefsurfing]

The Macna video indicated that the mp 60 had a newer design and that eco tech had eliminated the problems with the 10/20/40 in this new design. This mean no more wearing out parts constantly and more importantly no more noise since the parts arent rubbing. I have a 90gallon tank, I might spring for the mp 60 instead, just so I get the new design and no headaches. i like the idea of broader flow through the tank which Vortech offers. Tunzes super reliable but has directed flow which I dont care for and more in tank footprint w/ a cord which i am not a huge fan of.

 

[James77]

The noise alot of people have a problem with is the motor, and not the wet side. It makes a pretty audible whirring sound as it runs, and ramps up and down. It is far from terrible, and it is expected with an external motor. It only really bugs people with silent systems.

 

[OceanDweller]

Bump to be brought back again hopefully, this would be a good current debate. Maybe now some can compare the mp40 to the mp60 as far as sound goes

Tunze says max 45 watts 7925GPH max
MP60 Says 10-60 watts 7500GPH max "anybody know average Reefcrest, NTM wattage?"

Pros and cons I see, Tunze larger in tank footprint more linear flow, silent and possibly more reliable
Vortech mp60, smaller footprint wider flow, some have issues with noise possibly less reliable "unknown" "more parts to constantly replace?"

My main question is control ability. Which would be easier to hook up to an APEX unit or Profilux. I am considering both Tunzes and Vortech, these exact models, and both controllers.

 

[JG1]

Bump to be brought back again hopefully, this would be a good current debate. Maybe now some can compare the mp40 to the mp60 as far as sound goes

Tunze says max 45 watts 7925GPH max
MP60 Says 10-60 watts 7500GPH max "anybody know average Reefcrest, NTM wattage?"

Pros and cons I see, Tunze larger in tank footprint more linear flow, silent and possibly more reliable
Vortech mp60, smaller footprint wider flow, some have issues with noise possibly less reliable "unknown" "more parts to constantly replace?"

My main question is control ability. Which would be easier to hook up to an APEX unit or Profilux. I am considering both Tunzes and Vortech, these exact models, and both controllers.

You are up to speed regarding Tunze's false flow rates right?

 

[James77]

There has been a test done where the flow rates stated by Tunze may be overstated. This test, however, has questions about it and the accuracy of its results based on the methods used and the equipment used.

Here is a thread with some info in it:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2054630&highlight=tunze+flow

There are a few posts by Hydrologist stating the potential inaccuracies- going either way- of the equipment used, and he has experience using this equipment.

The potential does exist that the flow from the 6305s is quite short of their stated flow. Roger from Tunze has already stated that they will address these, and modify the pumps to put out what htey have been rated for. Im not sure where the whole thing stands right now, but I have not seen Tunze say otherwise regarding this.

 

[OceanDweller]

Not in the least GJ1, I have only done a little prelim research on them. I think this is a great thread and a good poll on two of the top powerheads out there, maybe the top 2. I am surprised the thread went dry for so long.

What is the actual flow rate on the Tunze? Is it around 7000GPH, this could be a huge factor in planning.

 

[James77]

What is the actual flow rate on the Tunze? Is it around 7000GPH, this could be a huge factor in planning.

The test done claims that the 6305 is at about 50% of the flow stated.

Here is the test:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2011/7/aafeature

 

[chadfarmer]

i own both and prefer the tunze

but that is my personal opinion

the vortech didnt stir the stuff off my rocks like the tunze did

the mp60 is loud compaired to everything on my tank-- tryed it on my friends tank and was just as loud and he thought his mp40 were loud until he tryed this

 

[snorvich]

For me Tunze 6305. My wife cannot stand wires going to the outside of the tank and she requires silence. The amount of water pushed is not all that relevant to me as I don't even run them at 100%

 

[OceanDweller]

Thank you Chat and Snorvich for your opinions, I am sure I am not the only guy out there weighing these two power heads. I see to many people trading back and forth "don't want that to be me lol" That said,

Anybody have an idea on which are better via standard controllers & cost "apex/profilux"?

I am planning on making quite a bit of base rock with old dry rock, oyster shell, and agrocrete, I am thinking about making a couple of 6305 if I go the Tunze route, I suppose I would entertain the idea of 4 6205 but thats about 600 more than the two vortechs. Tank will be in wall 450 96x36x30.

I personally like silence as well, its annoying as hell to have a loud system in my opinion "especially if these powerheads are running 500+ each". That said, I don't mind a loud system with a couple of modded maxi jets/koralins as they are entry level. I thought about putting a lot of insulation around the vortechs but seeing as how loud they are to some people I am not sure if that would make them silent.

 

[James77]

Anybody have an idea on which are better via standard controllers & cost "apex/profilux"? .

The Apex would be more cost effective if you were already buying one, since you can just buy the $20 wires, or make your own for about $5. The Apex gives you alot of versatility as far as timing and control, especially over the "older" Tunze controllers like 7094/7095. The 7096 has some random flows on it, which are nice. They can add new features to that controller, and they are always updating, although it can be quite some time between updates.

Profilux is also cost effective...if you have the controller or are buying it, just a set of cables will give you control. It has truly random flow. I just dropped my Apex tunze control and am going with the 7096. I don't need alot of controller, so I have an apex jr. I need the 7096 to have a feed button. Tunze controllers also are powered by the pumps, so you can add the safety connectors to any sized 12v battery and have controlled backup.

I personally like silence as well, its annoying as hell to have a loud system in my opinion "especially if these powerheads are running 500+ each". That said, I don't mind a loud system with a couple of modded maxi jets/koralins as they are entry level. I thought about putting a lot of insulation around the vortechs but seeing as how loud they are to some people I am not sure if that would make them silent.

Not loud, more "noisy". The vortechs can only really be heard with nothing else on or with a silent tank. To insulte them, you'd need to build a box around the dry motor, and Im sure that could equal heat probelms fro the pump. While I could hear mine in the next room, powermodule fans turned on to 12v drowned it out in the next room. Not that I would want either noise, but it just gives you an idea of the vortech noise level. It would not have bugged me much, but it is changing all the time.

The Tunzes, at least the 6105s, cannot be heard at all, unless you are really trying to hear them and you are inches from where they ae.