Tunze streams...

[raymond4133]

I just wanted to ask a quick question...

Would one Tunze 6060...Be to little for a 6 foot long 125 gallon reef tank such as mine...Or would two of them be overkill...I'd like to go Seio because they are so much cheaper but I really don't want to deal with the complaints that come with so many seio's...

-I have been trying to find little ways that could save me much more money on the electricity bills here in sacramento...My tank must of at least consumed half my house's electric consumption for each month...So I'am finding ways that can eliminate unecesarry power hogs in my sytem...like 8 different small 5-30watt powerheads instead of 11-22 watts of tunze...

 

[Conceyted]

it really depends on what you want to keep. one 6060 seems pretty light flow on a 6 foot long tank though

 

[raymond4133]

that is what I was thinking...I thought that it can't be true that one tunze can move that much water in a six foot tank

yeah perhaps a 4 foot tank but not a six foot unless I may be wrong...

 

[Conceyted]

i mean. tunze's move what they claim to move. But my 90gallon bare bottom SPS tank runs two 6100 streams (3200gph roughly each) and i could use even more flow. However, if I had soft corals and/or sand, I couldnt run the setup I had now.

 

[raymond4133]

exactly...I know they are a great pump and all with what they do...but will they be enough for my application...When I think it is enough is when I see the corals actually moving around or expanding...


-I just don't want to spend $140 to upwards of over $400 for a aquarium pump that will move water just as anything else out there...

-Simply there has to be a stronger reason why I should buy a tunze...I know they are very good to have since they are well reliable and have not heard a complaint about them so far...

-I need solid evidence showing that in a certain period of time or number of months that my corals and its inhabitants will end up getting bigger or grow faster or anything that would provide me with more concrete evidence to persuade me and buy one...

Dont get me wrong...I want these pumps just as bad as anybody else out there, but what are the concrete benefits of having a $200 pump instead of a equivalent $30 pump other than the obvious power consumption benefits...


-I don't know I think I need more convincing on these Tunze's to convince myself in buying one or two perhaps...At least with my powerhead situation of replacing the RIO and other power guzzling power head I have a reason and concrete evidence that shows that RIO's have no dependency and are very unreliable even though I have not noticed any problems with my personal RIo that I'am planning to replace...

-Anybody ...Any comments...?

 

[Brian Prestwood]

I don't think the cost justification of the Tunze's works out yet.

What do you compare them to, internal or external pumps?

Like external pumps, they don't heat up the tank as much as power heads do. Like power heads, they can be placed just about anywhere and they don't require plumbing. Like power heads, they can be moved relatively easily.

Until the price comes down, I'd say they are probably best used for trouble shooting intermitent problems, like red slime algae.

 

[CaliforniaDreamer]

One of the real advantages to Streams in my mind is the adjustability. You can dial in the powerhead to the exact flow you want and easily vary it for a random flow. You can buy a 6100 and dial it back until you need more flow. Just gives you so many options. The other power heads that I am aware of are either on or off. A closed loop can be created that provide all of the capabilities of the streams at a slightly less cost, but you loose the flexibility of easily moving the flow to where it is needed. The major downside of the streams is their size, a little hard to hide.

 

[raymond4133]

Although the tunze's sound like a must have I'am just no fully on the bandwagon....

I need more convincing....If I can do very well with only one in my tank in addition to my two overflow returns of about 1200gph...

Than I may strongly consider buying just one for now...But if there is a similar alternative than I'am all ears...If it were me I would by the seio's in a heartbeat but I still hear lots of complaints from them...And the ever lurking fear that it could spill it's guts like what many aquarist say into their tanks killing the inhabitants...

Are Rio's and Seio's both that bad...At times I have read some people say that they have a 50% startup rate....or breaking in a couple of months....

 

[Justin74]

Wow! You heard that seios spill there innards? I heard of this a couple years ago with the RIO pumps that were the 2100's and up and the people who personally attested to it, but never the seios. Ive been using them for over a year now and really like them, although may just have to swap em out for the new nano Tunze streams.

-Justin

 

[raymond4133]

I 'am not totally sure Justin But other than there inherent nature to not start up sometimes (meaning some people have to hit them a couple times to get them started)

It is also rumored in many negative forums about the RIO's that the mother company who makes Seio's is Rio and perhaps because of the bad track record that Rio has then perhaps the Seios may have the same...I guess it really depends on who you talk too...I'd really like to talk to the people who may or had already have the seios guts be splirted out in the event of RIO like failure...

(If there is such a case in Seios...)

(If not I may consider Seios for sure...) I wish that Rio or Seio's company was a little bit more accesible or free to talk too...But, I will look on for more info on this topic...

 

[dots]

I havn't had any Tunzes yet, but I do have 5 Seios.....People talk about the start up problems, but havn't experienced any myself. I would probably agree with not using them on a wavetimer, (Seios sound funky on startup like a clutch engaging), but there is a new one out that decreases the voltage and throttles them down rather on then off and on again.

I would assume the next generation Seios will have fixed this problem and with the new Tunzes comming out, I bet they won't be too far behind.

But as far as dependability, I clean mine about every two months and havn't had any problems. Would like them smaller though and am considering the Tunzes for mainly that reason......my next tank will have closed loops.

 

[miracles38]

I have a Seio 1500 in my FO that I have been running for a year and half with no problems at all. Starts up every time and it is adjustable for flow. I also 2 tunze 6060's that in my reef that are great, but they aren't adjustable for flow. They both have worked well for me.

 

[yoshiod9]

personally, i run a seio1100 and a tunze 6000-- i love them both but the seio will NOT re-start after a power outage or after i unplug it. sometimes, i can just take the pump out of the water and plug it in and it will start-- usually, though, i have to clean the entire pump before it decides to work.

as it is, i'd do a couple of the maxijet mods, raymond. really decent flow for low cost (around 40 bucks if you have the mj's sitting around!) and you're not killing your electric bill.

when i upgraded to my tunze, i went from having something like 6 or 7 powerheads (all were rio 600) and high temps (from 77 to around 82-83) to one powerhead and 78-79degrees (constantly).


also, i'm positive that rio is owned by TAAM-- as is seio. so yeah, i just chalk it up to the whole 'you get what you pay for' phrase. finally, if you clean your powerheads once a month, you shouldn't run into too many issues with them-- that's how i keep my three year old rios working.

 

[raymond4133]

Matter of fact yoshiod9 I have been looking at some videos of the somone doing the maxijet modifications...

Looks very promising...I actually do have an extra maxijet lying around...And it would cost so much cheaper...

Hmm perhaps I might just do the maxijet mods....

 

[dots]

Doesn't hurt to try, I think flow in a tank and the changes one make to it is an endless project.....always experimenting and trying new.

 

[raymond4133]

I just hate to put down Seio as a reasonable choice for water movement in a tank...But, if these Maxijet modifications are as good as they say and with the reputable longevitiy with maxjet than it would be hard to beat the flow and relative lasting lifespan of maxijets compared to seios...

 

[Justin74]

Only downside to that is there not. People complain more about the startups with the maximod than people do with seios. You should anticipate malfunctions if the PH is in need of cleaning, but the maxi's can have the same problems right after the assembly,including starting up turning the wrong way more consistantly than the seios unfortunately, because I agree with the output potential and low energy consumption the choice would be alot easier to make.

-Justin

 

[yoshiod9]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8438826#post8438826 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
Only downside to that is there not. People complain more about the startups with the maximod than people do with seios. You should anticipate malfunctions if the PH is in need of cleaning, but the maxi's can have the same problems right after the assembly,including starting up turning the wrong way more consistantly than the seios unfortunately, because I agree with the output potential and low energy consumption the choice would be alot easier to make.

-Justin

the only people i've seen complain about their mj mod are the ones who didn't construct their mod correctly.

here's a helpful vid site-- click on DIY maxi stream when you get to the site.

also, keep checking on the mj mod thread-- people are constantly making better looking shrouds and ways to make the mod more efficient.

 

[pepe.king.prawn]

I'll sell you my Seio 2600 for $60, used it for about a month.

 

[yoboyjdizz]

Re: Tunze streams...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8436240#post8436240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by raymond4133
I just wanted to ask a quick question...


So I'am finding ways that can eliminate unecesarry power hogs in my sytem...like 8 different small 5-30watt powerheads instead of 11-22 watts of tunze...

Tunze streams push more water then any other powerhead for the amoubt of watts used.. In time they will pay for themselves.. Less heat transfered, lesss watt consumption which means lower powerbill.. I recomend two 6100's with controller. Well worth the investment! Lots of advantages tunzes has over other powerheads. If you do a close loop, for a tank that size your looking at a pump that uses serious watts..