Turf Algae "Scrubber": anyone have experience/opinions about them?

Dtip

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I'm always looking for little DIY projects, and lately I've been reading up on algal turf "scrubbers," which are essentially a form of biological filter composed of nothing more than a heavily lighted, non-submerged screen medium to culture algae in a sort of thick "turf," subject it to wet/dry cycles, and by removing some regularly, export lots of nutrients and even heavy metals, supposedly much more efficiently and quickly than standard macro algae methods can.

Some people have even claimed that the method is superior to using skimmers because it eats ammonia, phosphates, and nitrates at a rate high enough that the extra DOC doesn't matter... and all this without removing food or phyto from the system. I'm pretty skeptical of this, as well as of the claims that it won't smell. :)

For those that aren't familiar with them, they are actually a pretty old concept, and there was much controversy over their use even back in the 90s, both because some of the basic designs were patented (meaning that LFSs and manufacturers shied away from using them), and because people can get pretty worked up about different approaches and philosophies on how to set up a tank (I believe the Berlin method was just starting to become big right around this time).

People that have been in the hobby for awhile probably know all of this already, or can correct me if I'm mistaken (I've just read about them on the net and in old bbs archives).

Anyway, what I'm considering doing is simply building and playing around with the simplest, non-moving parts version of a scrubber (most high-end versions use a dump bucket or see-saw design to wet the screen and then let it dry out some), which simply involves pumping water down or over a vertical screen, plus light, and perhaps some moving air.

It's an extremely cheap project, though I haven't decided on a design which would allow me to hook into my main system if I wanted (getting pretty cramped down in the stand with a sump and 6gal RDSB hanging out there already).

But anyway, I'd be interested if anyone here has experience with or knowledge about this method of filtration, or even DIY tips as I play around with this stuff (my main engineering problem is draining the filter back into my system... given that the container that holds the screen will not fill with water, and hence cannot overflow into my sump unless the entire container is above the sump water level).
 
I suspect that a refugium, especially one with plants like chaeto, have some advantages over the algal turf scrubber. Like the scruber, they can be set up on an opposing day/night cycle to moderate some the swings that happen as lights go on and off.
 
I have seen one done as a paddle wheel years ago. Think of an old mill along a stream with a wheel powered by water to turn the wheel inside the house. A cople of guys in Indianapolis biult one about 8' tall. They covered the wheel with fiberglass mesh, and fed it with a 3/4 hp pump. Algae covered the paddles. It was pretty cool. How effective it was is another question. They used theirs on a raceway that was about 200' long. They also had a huge surge box for wave action.
 
Rhodo: the claim, at least, is that turf algae is far more powerful than the usual chaeto in a fuge setup.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13173775#post13173775 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dtip
Rhodo: the claim, at least, is that turf algae is far more powerful than the usual chaeto in a fuge setup.

http://www.walteradey.com/

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2004/editorial.htm

The claim you refer to is, I think, that the algal scrubber is 10 to 100 times more powerful than macros like Caulerpa.

It does take more water volume to maintain macro than algal turf. You probably would want your chaeto in a tank at least a foot deep or more.

You could have ten to one hundred times as much water in the macro refugium as in an algal scrubber so the claim sounds valid in a purely water volume to water volume comparison. There might be a gallon in the water film in a scrubber and you might use a 100 gallon stock tank as your chaeto refugium so even the "one hundred times" claim is plausible.

However "effective" might be more important a word than "powerful". Scaling either the scrubber or the macro to be effective ought to be practical for many tanks, and the extra water volume in the macro refugium could have some side benefits you would not have with a scrubber. The scrubber would have an advantage where there are severe space considerations.
 
At least for me, its the opposite, ironically. I can fit a bucket under my stand, because I can pump water out of my sump into it, and then let it overflow back into the sump. But the scrubber setup doesn't involve submerging the media, so you cannot overflow it into anything unless the scrubber is set, at the very least, above the water level of the sump. If I had more space, I could easily fit a scrubber: while trying to get one into my present setup is way tricky.
 
More information here...................... ;)


http://www.algaescrubber.net/forums/ "SantaMonica"

http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=330606

http://www.3reef.com/forums/i-made/...eplaces-skimmer-refugium-everythin-51120.html

http://www.aquaria.info/index.php?n...tart=180&sid=ce760355ea58d8b65a7bfbbdd82929fe

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums...kimmer-refugium-everything-33.html#post561694


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Eric Borneman: "What turfs are, essentially, are excellent nitrogen and phosphorus uptake species, with a number of benefits over many other species: faster growing, less invasive, more efficient and less toxic than macroalgae, much more efficient by fast growth than Xenia, and far more effective in most tanks than seagrasses (which require so much more light, sediments, symbiotic microbes, benthic nutrients, and space) or mangroves. The big benefit of turfs as nutrient uptake and export, if needed or desired (by removal of the turfs as they grow), is that they grow faster than macroalgae in biomass, are generally not producers of prolific secondary metabolites (their defense and competition is fast growth), and they are confined to a specific area and are thus not invasive. Even if some get released into the tank, they are very palatable and are a treat for herbivorous fishes and invertebrates. In fact, turfs are havens for copepods, amphipods, ostracods, and polychaetes, favoring their reproduction."

Tom Barr: "You might also suggest this to folks, you can prep this [scrubber] filter very easily by using a bucket and the pump and getting a good film of growth outside (if possible , near a window with direct sun light) on the screen prior to use in the aquarium; no waiting for it to get all furry. This is pre cycling for an algae scrubber. There is a little sloughing and adaptation once you place in the tank, but this will accelerate the process. Use a bucket to prep things instead of the aquarium, this way you can get on top of things and cycle the tank much faster, essentially bypassing the cycle altogether, a so called "silent cycle". Algae remove NH4 [ammonium] directly, so there's no NO2 or NO3 build up. No need for bacteria (they will form later anyway, but will have a less prominent role). For folks that do FC ["fish cycling" in FW tanks], they should prep their algae filters in a bucket, not bomb the whole tank with NH3 [ammonia]. That's foolish to do that."




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I have used a turf scrubber for years and use NO other filtration, only 5 gal a week water change on my 120. I have great coral growth and my fish are healthy, no issues at all. Its pretty simple to maintain, just scrape the screen once a week and your good to go. I found photos years ago online and built it myself. Acrylic, glue, fiberglass screen and 2 PC bulbs. The unit sits in top of my tank and dumps every 15 seconds, the lights stay on 24-7. Ill try to post photos of the unit and or find the link to the photos I originally found. I use 14K MH lamps on the tank, CA 450 temp 79 Phosphates 0 nitrates 0. If you have a table saw and a tape measure and a little time you can make the unit.
 

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