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silvercharm

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Looking at buying my first saltwater tank. I'm looking at either a 35, 45 or a 55 gallon depending on a few factors! I have had fish since I was a kid and I currently run a 10g planted, a 55 gallon African cichlid dwarf mbuna tank and a 90 gallon peacock/hap tank.
This will be my first venture into saltwater and I have been buying books and reading forums for about two years now. Ive been a lurker on this forum for a long time! At this point I'm looking for advice on livestock as I have read so many conflicting opinions. My must have is clownfish (of course for the kids, but I like them too), I'm looking at black percula clownfish. The other fish I like are Lemon Peel Angel, Flame Angel, Lined Blenny and Firefish Goby.
Based on what I have learned, I can't keep two kinds of angel fish, I will have to choose one. Let me know what you think of my fish choices :)
As for corals I am completely mystified at this point and I really need to do more research on beginner friendly corals. I'm thinking I am going to go with LED lighting, and I'm not sure if that will affect my choice of corals or not!
 
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First suggestion would be to avoid going with a 55g as the dimensions are horrible for a reef tank, IMO. I suggest either a 40B or 65G, if your looking for something of comparable size.

You are correct that having 2 different angels would likely not work as they will probably not get along with each other, unless a very large tank is maintained for them to avoid each other. Another issue with these angels are they can be coral eaters if you decide to go that route. Pygmy angels tend to be less likely to eat corals, but they are known to nip at them from time to time.

The other fish I don't foresee any issues with, and with the 2 tanks I suggested you will have room for a few more fish, IMO&E.

As for the lighting, if you go with a LED fixture made specifically for reef keeping, the corals you can keep are virtually limitless.
 
Thanks for the great advice! Figuring out what kind of fish to put in is pretty confusing. Do you have any suggestions for beginner friendly fish? I really like the pygmy angels, but if they are not reef safe I'll have to think of something else!
 
Hello,
Welcome to the hobby, its fun here! The first thing to figure out is are you going for a reef or a fish only with live rock setup. If you go FOWLR, you have more options on fish. If you go reef, you have endless coral options, but it impacts the fish species you can choose. I have to agree completely that a 40 gallon breeder or a 65 are the best choices for a first tank. Smaller tanks are definately harder to maintain, and the 18 inch width is a very good thing. The only thing I would use a 55 gallon tank for in this hobby is as a sump. Furthermore, I believe 55's are all tempered glass and cant be drilled. The big issue with a 55 is the 12 inch width. You often need wide pieces of live rock at the base of you aquascaping, and you will find 12 inches is really cramped. I would personally go with the 65, but having said that, my first tank was a 40B. It was a nice start, no sump, and my corals did okay. When I transfered everything to my current 90+40 sump, everything took off. The oxygenation offered by using a sump is important, plus it gives you a place to dose things or add top off water without dosing or topping off right on your corals. If you do decide to go reef, these concepts are very important for consistency.
As for your fish choices, everything looks pretty good. Some points on the species you discussed. First off, there is no such thing as a black percula. I say this due to frustration with one of my lfs, they mark their black ocellaris as black perculas. Black ocellaris clownfish are excellent beginner clowns, and very beautiful, even the most common patterns are awesome. When I got into marine fish, I loved how they reminded me of miniture killer whales. Might sound weird, but hey, we all have our little ideocincricies. Get a young pair, about the same size, and they will most likely develop into a pair. Dont get more than 2, and only get one species, if you do otherwise you will most likely have issues. You could add more than one species of dwarf angel to a tank as long as there is room and as long as they are added at the same time. Having said that, I personally wouldnt try it in anything less than a 75, I've seen it done in tanks as small as a 40, bit I personally wouldnt put any dwarf angels in a 40 short of maybe a cherub angel, which are actually really cool fish. You mentioned either a flame angel or a lemonpeel angel...both are more aggressive species. I would not do either unless you had a 65 or bigger tank, and while I said dwarf angels can be mixed earlier, I have friends who insist that you should never attempt that with a lemonpeel, apparently they are really aggressive toward other dwarf angels, regardless of the tank. Most blennies are very cool fish, just be aware that if you ever get into tangs, bristletooth tangs (such as tomini or kole tangs) will get very aggressive with algae eating blennies because they target the same types of algae. Larger starry and lawnmower blennies may be able to hold their ground, but if you can plan ahead, I would avoid the stress to you and your fish. Finally, firefish are awesome fish, but they can get very shy around more aggressive species, to the point of hiding and even starving to death. They do really well in a very peaceful tank. Go with 1 firefish unless you know you have a mated pair, if you just guess and get 2 or more, there is a good chance you will end up with only 1 in the end, they pester each other to death, a lot like several species of damselfish. One last little point: you do not need an anemone to observe the hosting behavior clownfish are famous for. Clowns will do this in a variety of situations. Anemones can be difficult, for most people bubble tips are really the best option. They need good light and flow, and if you dont have a sump, I wouldnt even try it. My perculas are hosted in one of my frogspawns, and the male likes to hang out in my duncan, as well. These are much easier than anemones. Also, dont automatically expect the hosting behavior, it can take years to happen, even with anemones, and sometimes the clowns just never even develop an interest at all. Anemones also move around at times, and if you have corals, they can sting everything in their path, which can be annoying. Alright, my marathon post is done, I hope I gave you some interesting ideas and a better understanding on why people suggest what they suggest. Enjoy,
Scott
 
Thanks for the great advice! Figuring out what kind of fish to put in is pretty confusing. Do you have any suggestions for beginner friendly fish? I really like the pygmy angels, but if they are not reef safe I'll have to think of something else!

The typical and safe answer is that dwarf angels are not reef safe. If you wanted to try one, I would suggest the largest tank you can afford, and go with a coral beauty, they are georgous fish and seem to be relatively safe with corals. Other good reef safe fish options are a group of orange-striped cardinalfish, a pair of bangai cardinalfish, pajama cardinalfish, most species of clownfish, gobies, blennies, royal grammas, green chromis, and a few species of tangs if you get towards 75 gallons on your tank. This is just a small sample of reef safe fish, I would suggest going to Liveaquaria.com, the site is a great information source. Every species they sell has a suggested tank size, reef safe status, and general information available. When I am curious about a fish species, I start there. Hope this helps,
Scott
 
Wow am I ever glad I decided to post here! You answered a lot of my burning questions in one reply. I might be upgrading my peacock/hap tank to a 125 gallon so I can keep a venustus, which my current 90 gallon set up isn't large enough for. That would leave my 90gallon bow for another project...reef tank maybe? So much to think about and a lot of decisions to be made.
 
Wow am I ever glad I decided to post here! You answered a lot of my burning questions in one reply. I might be upgrading my peacock/hap tank to a 125 gallon so I can keep a venustus, which my current 90 gallon set up isn't large enough for. That would leave my 90gallon bow for another project...reef tank maybe? So much to think about and a lot of decisions to be made.

You are like me, it seems. My favorite fish are always hard to keep or dont work for my reef :crazy1: Venustus angels are stunning fish, but are very difficult. One of my best friends in the hobby has a talent in keeping tough species and he couldnt keep venustus angels. I am not trying to sway you from that species, but I would highly recommend waiting until you have some serious marine fish experience. The big thing with that species is getting a healthy, eating specimen, apparently a tough task in itself. Once you have accomplished that, your display tank needs to have a lot of shady coves and caves to allow the angel to hide if it feels threatened. I believe they are another deeper water species. I would suggest trying the dwarf angels first, and eventually trying a venustus. There is nothing worse than getting a showpiece fish and watching slowly starve to death. That said, if you got lucky and had one thrive in your system, they are absolutely stunning. These guys are on my dream wish list, but it will be a long time before I try one.
Scott
 
Some other angels to stay away from initially would be bicolor angels, multibarred angels, and potters angels. I do have some good news, though. If you are going up to a 125 gallon tank for your reef, that opens the door for the actual reef safe angels of the genicanthus family. The most common and affordable species of this family are Lamarcks angelfish. If you look them up, they are not as colorful as other species, but they are subtley beautiful. I can personally speak about this species, I have one in my reef. They are sexually dimorphic, and IMO, the females are prettier. They have a swish-like stripe that starts at their eyes and ends at the tip of their tail. They look gray, white and black, but I swear there is some lavender in there, too. Love that fish, and they get midsized, about 8-9 inches. More colorful species are in the family, such as bellus and wantanabe angels. All these species do well in pairs and even harems, depending on the species. If you go with the 125, your fish options open up significantly.
Scott
 
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