Update on they Tigerpyge

[michael_cb_125]

He was not working for his money. He stated several times that Grandpa payed for everything. While I am not going to bash him, I will say that he should have taken things a little more slowly.

I am not much older than he, and I had nice things while in High School and College, but I worked/work my A** off for what I have. I just feel as though since things were handed to him, he may have really appreciated them.

~Michael

 

[michael_cb_125]

Nonetheless I hope all is well for him and his fishy friends!

~Michael

 

[teesquare]

And Micheal you are to be commended for your hard work and self responsibility.
But it still leaves us no quarter as civilized - persons of good character to be-rate, be-little or ostracize someone who is at a greater economic vantage point - or a lesser one.

Let's try to remember we are here for the hobby, and leave all of the petty stuff oustside, can we?
Perhaps this fellow can learn much more about life, and mature descision making thru developing trust and friendship.

And - hey I wish my Grandpa would have trown money at me too!:lol:

T

 

[jnc914]

You know, there is life outside of this little reef fish board. The kid probably had better things to do than post about his fish on here all day everyday. And with the amount of criticism he received when he purchased the fish, I am not surprised that he no longer posts here. In fact, if I had purchased that fish and had been met with the amount of negative comments that came with the original thread, I would have probably stop posting immediately after that.

:rolleye1:

He was also the same kid who offered $1200 for the penny sized Bandit that Rob L. caught during the summer, despite not even knowing how to start to care for such a delicate fish. It is what it is, even the mods tried to point Matt in a better direction. This is a public forum and he chose to post the fish and his experiences with it. If he didn't want the posts he received, then don't post. I think Matt did a good job dealing with the criticisms he received, he just chose to ignore the more constructive criticism from the more experienced hobbiests. But what often happens is there becomes a cheering section that encourages people to do things despite an obvious lack of experience. Go back and read the threads (and there were several) and see that there were people with as much experience as Fishkid cheering him on, while the more experienced fish keepers told him to slow it down and ensure he had the right environment and knowledge to keep such a fish.

 

[Amoore311]

and all i am saying - is it is none of our business how he could afford it! Wahat - have we decided to become "classists"? Do you hate or envy someone because thay can afford to buy and throw away what you can only dream of owning?
I don't!!! I am happy that someone can afford those things! Come on! Take a lesson from this - and try to find a reason to like someone - not dis-like, or dis-respect them, o.k.?

Why not try to help and contribute to solving a problem as opposed to carrying a grudge?

T

+1!

 

[tcmfish]

not appreciated... Michael I think you meant not appreciated.

And if he posted on here with a question I felt capable to answer I would totally help him out! But I wouldn't want the fish to die. Its hard to share the same passion with someone if you don't feel they feel the same way.

And yes I don't like someone if they can afford to throw away fish that I know myself or someone else would be better suited to take care of! Don't take it on if your not up for it and most people wouldn't take it on if they are not up for it because they wouldn't waste their money on it because they know the meaning of money. He didn't. Grandpa got it for him because he wanted it, so yeah.

You appreciate things so much more if you deserve it or worked for it.

With the attitude that grandpa will just buy another.. learning the lesson about how to care for the fish might not happen. But if he paid for it with his own money I bet he'd learn QUICK.

 

[jnc914]

not appreciated...

And if he posted on here with a question I felt capable to answer I would totally help him out! But I wouldn't want the fish to die. Its hard to share the same passion with someone if you don't feel they feel the same way.

And yes I don't like someone if they can afford to throw away fish that I know myself or someone else would be better suited to take care of! Don't take it on if your not up for it and most people wouldn't take it on if they are not up for it because they wouldn't waste their money on it because they know the meaning of money. He didn't. Grandpa got it for him because he wanted it, so yeah.

You appreciate things so much more if you deserve it or worked for it.

With the attitude that grandpa will just buy another.. learning the lesson about how to care for the fish might not happen. But if he paid for it with his own money I bet he'd learn QUICK.

:thumbsup:

Very good point. My points are less about the economics of it, but more of the lack of experience issue that had been very apparent in alot of Fishkid's posts.

 

[michael_cb_125]

I meant not*.

I agree with tcmfish and jnc914 whole heartily. I just think that some are getting the actual point confused with jealousy.
Many of the people who were hard on him could/can/have many of the fish he had/wanted.

The sad thing is that you could have told him you have a rare fish for $3000, and he would probably have bought it sight-unseen.

~Michael

 

[username in use]

And yes I don't like someone if they can afford to throw away fish that I know myself or someone else would be better suited to take care of!

Ive known people that have porche's or ferrari's and did nothing but putter around town and then let it collect dust in a garage and forget about it. I know I would drive it the way it was meant, and would keep it up and running great, but thats no reason to not like them, just a reason to disagree. You need to be able to seperate disagreeing with someone from not liking them, or eventually you wont like anyone. Thats what makes this site so nice is everyones ability to disagree but still be there for each other and help each other if something happens. He obviously didnt feel like he could bring his problems here anymore as it stopped being a resource for him and started being a hassle because of people that "didnt like him".

 

[teesquare]

Jason:
I am not dis-agreeing with you. And having read most of those posts - what I saw was that the more experienced - from all we know - hey this *IS* the internet.... typically offered sound council - WITHOUT the scalding, and personalizations.
Yes, it is a public forum, and as you may have noticed - there is a "step up" in the manner which the moderators are now having to deal with the general lack of respect/civility that so pervades common society.
We all have a choice to make in this...Do we choose to - after being re-buffed by someone that may have greater wherewithall and truly need the help... -attack or make characterizations? Or do we grimace to ourselves - and continue to try and be a steadying force of reason by NOT taking to post such in-flammatory comments?
Paitence is a long road, but it teaches far more to the teacher and the student than reacting with animous.
Let's try to keep this forum respectable - and without the negative bashing that is the easier path for some. Can we?

Wonder how many fish we could save if we don't turn people away from coming here by our heap shot responses to their real needs?
T

 

[teesquare]

username:
BRAVO - well put!
T

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

I think the issue at heart here is that this fish was one of a kind in the hobby, and should have gone to someone with much more experience. I agree the hobby is a learning curve and we all make mistakes, but this is not the fish anyone should have been making mistakes with. I would love to have it, but wouldnt have bought it if I had the money because there are some old salts around here who have been waiting 30 years for a fish like that and deserve to have it, and more importantly know they can take care of it.

 

[teesquare]

And that is a humble self assesment L.O.J!
And each of us owe it to ourselves and the animals we keep to make use good judgement.
But - when we see that someone has not done the same as you, I think we all benefit - even the fish - when we can depend on one another to advise, and to learn.
I would also like to see the folks that sell such rarities be more specific on the care of the animal in question, and perhaps even screen the potential buyers for ability to keep the animal alive.
We should do this - before it is mandated on us by our authorities.
T

 

[jnc914]

I think the issue at heart here is that this fish was one of a kind in the hobby, and should have gone to someone with much more experience. I agree the hobby is a learning curve and we all make mistakes, but this is not the fish anyone should have been making mistakes with.

Exactly......How many more Tigerpyge's have been offered since the one Fishkid purchased? Maybe I am wrong, but none that I am aware of.

 

[Amoore311]

I would love to have it, but wouldnt have bought it if I had the money because there are some old salts around here who have been waiting 30 years for a fish like that and deserve to have it, and more importantly know they can take care of it.

Sounds good on paper, but I find that hard to believe. Especially with a fish like a Centropyge Hybrid, that really needs no specialized care other than a stable environment.



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Just wanted to add:

I would also like to see the folks that sell such rarities be more specific on the care of the animal in question, and perhaps even screen the potential buyers for ability to keep the animal alive.

+1 to this. Especially for fish like the one in question, where you know there had to be a large waiting list.

 

[melanotaenia]

:rolleye1:

He was also the same kid who offered $1200 for the penny sized Bandit that Rob L. caught during the summer, despite not even knowing how to start to care for such a delicate fish. It is what it is, even the mods tried to point Matt in a better direction. This is a public forum and he chose to post the fish and his experiences with it. If he didn't want the posts he received, then don't post. I think Matt did a good job dealing with the criticisms he received, he just chose to ignore the more constructive criticism from the more experienced hobbiests. But what often happens is there becomes a cheering section that encourages people to do things despite an obvious lack of experience. Go back and read the threads (and there were several) and see that there were people with as much experience as Fishkid cheering him on, while the more experienced fish keepers told him to slow it down and ensure he had the right environment and knowledge to keep such a fish.

I have read the threads; I remember when he bought the fish and the negative responses he got. My point is that if I were him and I received the negative collection of comments that this board put out, I would never come on here again. And that would be regardless of the constructive and otherwise helpful comments that were mixed in with the negative ones.

There are other places to go for advice and fish questions too. ReefCentral is not the ONLY place people tend to frequent when talking or discussing fish, even rare or hybrid ones.

I for one feel sorry for the kid. Yeah he was young, and did not take alot of the advice he was given, but that did not merit what he received from other hobbyists on here.

The elitism on these boards really needs to go.

 

[tcmfish]

Cars don't compare. I'm no car guy, but you can make a car or have one made. You can't just say let's make a fish. And it is a living thing, that was taken from the ocean and yes I realize lots of animals don't make it once coming out of the ocean, but if you have the knowledge available to you to keep it from dying and you don't do anything with it or don't care enough to change how you are doing things, then yes I think it is fair to say I don't like you based on what I have to go off.

I don't know.. it bothers me that some kid can go out and buy a bandit or a one of a kind fish and not even have the ability to keep what basically boils down to a lemonpeel or a ebili however you look at it It wasn't a hard fish to please.... I feel like most the people I run into on here could keep a lemonpeel alive and if they didn't know what to do they would listen or at least be able to determine what needed to be done with some help. They call it spoiled for a reason.

Your comparison to cars is like saying well he put the fish in a reef, or minimalistic setup. Either way the people with cars didn't crash them.

But hey the fish might be alive, who knows, maybe he will prove me wrong. I just find it funny when asked privately if it was still alive he didn't respond. Even if it had died I would have told the person who asked me even if I didn't want to tell the whole world.

 

[jnc914]

Especially with a fish like a Centropyge Hybrid, that really needs no specialized care other than a stable environment.

Therein lied the issue. He had what he thought was a clean and mature QT/display where he had a pair of Latz Clowns (another $$ pair of fish) that came down with either ich/velvet and were removed from that tank. So there was already a high probability that that tank still had parasites in it when he decided to add the Tigerpyge. I am almost certain he later posted that the Latz died.....

 

[29reef]

Interesting discussion.

I think we all can agree that the inexperience of the hobbiest has killed many of the oceans animals that are imported. I think this is the case with this hobbiest and the aquarium he was using. IMO RC is here to PREVENT things like this happening. There are a ton of uber fish and coral nerds on this site that are always happy to help. The only thing we all learn as time goes on is not to rush! I think that's exactly what happened. Everything from purchase to care was rushed; leading to the demise of the animal.

 

[Ian]

Just wondering, all you guys that are upset with Fishkid that he bought the fish, why aren't you upset with Old Town, who knew the significance of what they had, for selling it (at double what the value was known to be) to a kid that had no experience?

IMO, they are the ones that should have known better, not a youngster with unlimited resources that had new excitement for this hobby that we''re all so (obviously) passionate about...

This fish came down to the Almighty Dollar. Is it Fishkids fault for having that magic number or the establishment that sold it to him?