Upsetting experience with bait-switch

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I'm learning something about unattended internet retail operations that have a customer service number that never answers. It is incredibly difficult to get through to your customer service line. I have to keep leaving messages. I have to leave several messages, just to get one answer, after hours. And it's a toll call!

Got two seperate answers about my order, one from you (that my order would be shipped immediately with what was available, and the balance of my order would be shipped next Saturday) and one from a woman who just didn't care, saying that I'd have to pay TWO overnight shipping charges, each over fifty bucks, to cover her mistake. Do I continue to wait in the house today (Saturday)? Or do I get to have a day off? (I can't remember what a "day off" is.)

An item is either in stock or out of stock, and if a customer telephones and the salesman CONFIRMS that something's available and can be delivered on Saturday, it should mean that the salesman has actually checked, and not just trusted a computer.

"I'm sorry" would have been sufficient, but even that much was not forthcoming... just a very corporate "we're not responsible" CYA phrase.

This may be a bitter pill for the internet retail industry, but many people who have money to spend WORK for a living and are very busy, and don't have the time to get stood up like this. When we make weekend plans to stick around the house and wait for livestock and properly acclimate them, that doesn't mean we have EVERY weekend free to do this.

This is the kind of experience (beginning with Garf) that leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.
 
Hi,

If you are who i think you are, we ran out of nass. snails. Our computer showed 700 instock when you placed the order. We called asap when we found out that 650 were not alive. WE can't just dig through sand and count every sand burrowing snail we have, sometimes we have doa's and do not find out until we get low.

I had already posted a reply about this on another message board, so i see you are going from place to place bashing us. We did call and apologize about not having the snails, we let you know 48 hours before your order was to arrive. We tried to explain to you that it would be cheaper for you to wait and have everything shipped at once rather then paying two overnight charges for a split order. It was your choice to wait. Would it of been better to just ship without those snails or try and get your permission first on what to do.

WE called you back each time within 2 hours, you emailed me twice which didn't make any sense. The first email was that you wanted the order shipped even though you spoke to Melissa 10 minutes ago saying to hold. Then she talked to you again and you said you would wait until next week.

Then i get another email from you wondering if you should take the time to wait for the shipment the next day. So after you aggreed to wait, you are asking why it's not shipping? I'm sorry that our count was off due to doa's. I don't understand why you are getting so confused though, everything we have told you just doesn't sink in.

If you want to cancel your order for next week, just let me know. You need to email me directly at sales@premiumaquatics.com I would prefer you not calling about this order. I want to be the only one dealing with you now. Otherwise everything is going to be really messed up. You can't tell one person you want to do this and another person you want to do that.

jason

p.s. I now all about working hard. I work 7 days a week and answer 150 emails a day. Of those 150 emails 75% are fish/reef questions not order related. I do this because i love the hobby and like helping people. Things like this is what makes me wonder why i work 70 hours a week. Instead of helping answer peoples questions, or actually having a few minutes break, i get to spend more of mine time on 2 different boards to defend myself for no reason.
 
Jason,

No need to defend yourself where I am concerned (as well as probably 95% of the people around here). You provide top notch products at good prices and your customer service is above and beyond the call of duty most all of the time. I have never placed a call into your shop, yet all of my questions, problems and resolutions (all via email) have been handled very quickly and efficiently.

I for one appreciate your business, your hard work, and your dedication to the reefing community. You will continue to receive my business, you can count on that.
 
Hi,

Thanks very much for that post. The friendly reefers like yourself is what keeps us going!

jason
 
I have to step in and point something out. You have 2 post on this board, not that it means anything but they are about the same thing, that you said on more than one message board "Am reluctant to complain about this outfit just yet"... So why post this on different places for everyone to read. I am expecting an order from PA next week, Jason let me know today that something I ordered would not be available and asked what I would like to do. Most places would have just shipped the order without asking. I am sure that you were unhappy that your order was not going to be ready when you expected it, but I think you should try to understand, and remember they gave you a choice. I have dealt with them several times, Jason has gone out of his way for me in answering questions even when I didn't place an order. I would try to work this out with him, I think you will be happy with his service, you just have to realize he can't do the impossible. FWIW, I think Jason is the best in the business, it would be unlikely to find anyone who cares as much as he does.
 
Dear Jason,

This whole thing would have been handled privately, discretely and politely, had your telephone person been polite and used the words, "I'm sorry" or the equivalent. The others posting here have had a great experience with you; however, I had no access to you; I had to deal with somebody else.


> This person either didn't get the message
> correctly or was confused, they called
> several times and couldn't understand why
> we were out of stock, even emailed me a
> couple times.

Exactly. The person who called used the words, "empty shelves here" and "not responsible", and wasn't willing to do or say anything to make things right. Pity is, it would have taken so little!


> After telling Melissa on the phone to hold
> the order until next week, i then get an
> email from them wondering if they should
> stay home waiting for the order.

Exactly. This is because you answered my eMail to sales@premiumaquatics.com, offering to ship the available portion of my order immediately and the balance a week later, AFTER my conversation with Melissa.

> So they got me totally confused, was like
> the information we were giving them wasn't
> sinking in.

When you have two different people giving two different pieces of information to the same customer, that's what happens.

In my business, we're very careful about this... but the difference is that when there's a communications problem with the customer, it's OUR fault, not the customer's. We assume the responsibility. I got hired for my current job two years ago, not because I was a good programmer (far from it) but because the company felt confident about representing them to their customers.

It sometimes happens that we cannot make a delivery date for software. This is on Wall Street, home of the most impatient and unforgiving people on the planet. In that case it falls to me to tell the customer what portions of the software we can deliver; and when... and I give them the option of waiting a bit to have everything at once. NEVER do I delegate this to somebody else, especially to someone without my experience, because it's too sensitive.


> This person either didn't get the message > correctly or was confused, they called
> several times and couldn't understand why
> we were out of stock, even emailed me a
> couple times.

I still don't like the idea of trusting a stock computer. I would rather deal directly with somebody who is hands-on in the business, not somebody who's just working the telephones, looks at a computer screen, and can't be courteous to customers who have already been inconvenienced.


> After telling Melissa on the phone to hold
> the order until next week, i then get an
> email from them wondering if they should
> stay home waiting for the order.

An eMail which you didn't answer!

Again, miscommunication... all of which could have been avoided by you communicating with me instead of through a third party. I eMailed you directly; yet I have no eMail responce from you; except the final one which said that you'd ship something to arrive on Saturday.

***

One thing that I've noticed with retailers, there's a defensive mechanism where they try to isolate a customer and say that the experience is a fluke and that the customer was actually the problem.

Past experiences trying to mail-order livestock have been painful indeed. I'll list them in order, and maybe you'll see why I'm burnt out:

1. Garf: doesn't ship overnight on day promised; I lose half a day's pay waiting for a shipment that does not come. Typically, nobody is there to answer the phone, and I just get to talk to a machine. The shipment came two days late; and at 4:30 in the afternoon even though I paid extra for morning delivery.

2. On two seperate occasions, another vendor sent me livestock by overnight UPS; UPS took the first time two days and the second time four days. Everything died, both times, and the box arrived hot to the touch... I didn't get a red cent in credit from the vendor, not for the shipping, not for the livestock that arrived dead. The vendor said that he wasn't responsible and that I had to go to UPS for a shipping credit; UPS said that they weren't responsible, and that I had to go to the vendor for a credit. Nice system. the credit-card-whacking department never breaks down, though.

3. Sent a money order for $67 to an aquarium "service" company that was selling Amiracle overflow box kits on the internet.
Since the company (as usual) said that they had them in stock when they whacked my credit card, I paid extra for UPS blue.

Several days went by and after eMailing them several times, I finally got a curt reply that my item has been backordered. Four weeks later my overflow was actually shipped, cobbled together from other kits, some parts new some used, and the return hose which was in the picture was entirely missing. But it DID go UPS blue, and for some strange reason it actually took only two days!

On this occasion I went to the manufacturer and discovered that the vendor was selling things that he didn't actually HAVE in stock, but was taking money from customers, waiting, finally placing orders with the manufacturers, and living on the cash float. How typical this is of the dot-coms, I don't know.

4. Sent a money order for $165 to another aquarium "service" outfit on the internet, for a "new condition" Turbofloter skimmer which was retrofitted with a European pump, instead of the noisy and dangerous Rio. This skimmer turned out to be a dirty, worn out piece of junk, as was the pump, which made a loud noise, spit out some teeth, then wouldn't run at all.

In each case, the retailer was "not responsible" and was neither apologetic nor so much as gave me a discount on future purchases, allow a return in the case of dry goods, or some words that would make things right.

That's is the real reason that I'm venting now, NOT because of the lost time and money. I'll pay any amount of money for careful and personal attention to my order, a number that I can call that actually answers, and a human being on the other end who actually knows something!

Because these internet businesses need to please their investors by expanding at as high a rate as possible, I don't see any of them giving a rats *** about the satisfaction of one individial customer. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to publicly apologise and say that Jason's business is great... however right now I still think it't growing too fast, at the expense of customer service.

Heck, my Sprint PCS phone won't work right, and I can't get through to customer service there either! Do you think that I'm going to recommend this company to anybody? Quite the contrary!
 
Ditto Reefnut. Premium Aquatics is tops. Rob, you have said your piece. Now let's try and move on.
 
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