Vodka dosing

Joe69

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I started dosing vodka about 4 weeks ago. I was debating on Prodibio, which seems to add its own bacteria and then feeds it, or just adding vodka and feed the bacteria I already have in my tank.

I have a 125G and a 30G sump with a total water volume of around 130G. I started by adding 1ml per day the first couple days, then I added .5ml to that the next couple days. I kept adding .5ml every couple days until I got to 6ml and then I got a bacterial bloom which lasted about 6 hours. I then halved my dosage for the next few days and then started adding an additional .25ml again.

After the bloom the water got extremely clear and I decided to add some amino acids. I got the cheap AA’s from Salifert. I don’t know if this is much different from the expensive types, such as Zeo, but my corals seem happy with them. I have been adding 25ml of AA’s every two weeks.

I do a 10% weekly water change every week and I have been also feeding a phytoplankton culture I am growing. I feed about ¼ cup every day and leave the skimmer off for about an hour. The clams and feather dusters like it and the pods have at least tripled, my green spot mandarin is fat and happy.


Results so far:
All the hair algae in my overflows have turned white and are receding. All the diatoms are gone. The macro algae in my sump are also decreasing in size, but very little.

Polyp extension is very good, I don’t know if this is from the vodka or the AA’s or a combination. I believe that my SPS corals are feeding on the bacteria as well, but again not sure, just opinion.

My phosphates are down from .25 to completely undetectable with a Salifert kit. My nitrates are down to 2.5 from almost 10.

The difference in my tank has been like night and day since I started, but I have no hard data, just what I’ve noticed. Todd noticed a huge difference from the last time he saw my tank about a month ago too. I have heard horror stories about dosing vodka so I did not say anything up until this point. So far it seems to be working for me, but I am interested in seeing the long term effects. I have read that people start to see problems after 4 months, I guess I will see.


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Is this a process you can slowly wean your tank off once you get the desired results.(AA) I imagine it is a commitment once you start.Either way the tank looks great,keep us posted
 
I am glad you posted on this Joe. I was at his house about 4 weeks ago, and he was really having a problem with hair algae and diatoms. His faster growing corals were growing but at what I thought was a slower rate. I went to his house on friday and holy cow what a difference. There was no hair or diatoms in the display, and his digi's and cap's had exploded to 2x their from size 4 weeks ago. He had excellent polyp extension on his acros, and I couldn't believe how "furry" his digi's were. Everything in his tank looked very happy and growing. The great thing about this whole thing is that his tank has only been up for I believe 8 months. (something like that)
 
Thanks for posting the info. I am interested in using this also. Keep up the good work and keep us updated. And what Russ said about the aquascaping, looks good.
 
Haj - In my opinion and somewhat little experience you can stop dosing vodka or AA's without too much of a change in your tank. I think, however that you will see phosphates slowly kreep back up and unwanted algae come back. I don't think of it as an extra commitment. I think of it as an addative to get certain bacteria to grow more in my aquarium, just as adding calcium or magnesium or any other supplement.
 
Todd, Dan, Russ - Thanks for the good words on the tank and aquascaping. The tank has been up for just under 7 months.

Dan(Crit) - I have read entire thread, it is long and literally takes days to read and understand everything posted in that thread. I am a big fan of Randy Holmes-Farley as well. He does not use the vodka method, he opts for macro-algae to uptake nutrients. I agree with him and have tried it that way, but it does not work for me. Up to this point vodka is working and I also have a dsb in my display and in my refugium along with macro-algae.

Paul - Thanks, I will try and keep everyone informed.
 
Maybe its one of those things that once you get everything under control using the vodka, then the Macro method will work for ya.
 
Hi chocolateblnt, I don't really know........

Every tank is going to be different. The recommended dosage from the posts I've read is:

Day one - 1ml/100L
Day two - 1.1ml/100L
Day three - 1.2ml/100L
and so on.....until you get a bacterial bloom. Then you cut the dosage in half and maintain.

I personally think this is too much for my tank. I started doising at 1ml/~130G of water volume. So for your water volume about .25ml and up it .1ml every couple of days until you get your bacterial bloom.

Everything that I have read says to skim wet, this is to export the bacteria.

Also, always dose your vodka when the lights will be on for a few hours or when they first come on. The bacteria will use up O2 and leave CO2. Make sure you have good gas exchange, like your skimmer on or top water movement.

I have experienced a smal drop in my Ph since starting to dose, I'm sure it is because of the increase CO2 in the water. This ísn't a problem for me as I have always been at around 8.3 and now it is around 8.0 - 8.1.

Please keep us informed if you try it and let us know the results.
 
Many Thanks Joe!

I will start dosing at .25 ml as you recommend. How do I observe a bacterial bloom? Is it a physical or chemical observation. Also how long do you think it can take? I need to make sure I have enough vodka ;)

I will make sure to wet skim, dose when lights are on, and I have very good gas exchange in my system. As far as Ph, I too have never had a problem and it's always around 8.3-8.4, but I will observe that as well!

I will keep S. Colorado informed if it works ;)
 
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I also have nothing that measures in mL ... so I was thinking of using an eye dropper but I am not sure how much volume is 1 drop. I researched online and a source said .045 mL... can anyone verify?

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Ok I came back with some more facts on the volume of 1 drop of water for those who have no device to measure 1 mL.

19 drops = 1 mL

meaning 1 drop = .052 mL

also ... 1 mL = 1 gram of H20 ... so those with "postage" scales, well you get my drift ;)
 
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You can use one of the syringes from a test kit for ml's. That is what I do. I use mostly Salifert test kits and they generally have 1-2 ml syringes.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8375431#post8375431 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by normanviking
On the rocks. lol

Har Har ... no one saw that one coming.

If you're gonna laugh at least make an attempt to answer my question . I believe that question is no more arbitrary than adding vodka to a reef.

if you didn't already know the consistency of vodka is very different between room temp. liquid and freezer temp. syrup
 
chocolateblnt - I dose mine at room temp. A bacterial bloom will look like cloudy water. If you ramp up the dosage slowly over a long peiod of time it should take a while for this to happen. Remember to keep testing your PO4 and NO3, because they can drop very fast. You may want to get some amino acids if you have SPS in your tank. I am trying Salifert right now because it is cheap, but I hear if you can afford Zeo's brand it is well worth it.

I would definately use a syringe as Todd suggested.


Dan - I have 3 250w 14k Hamitons HQI and 4 96w True Actinic PC's
 
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