Vodka with softies?

ClarkiiClown

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I have been reading up on the Vodka method but I have a couple of questions- what about softies? Most of the people I see dosing Vodka have SPS.

I have read about decreases in algaes is this true?

What about dosing? A max of 1ML per 50gal is this correct? Starting and .1ML per day.

Thanks in advance!
 
I think it could decrease certain algae like hair algae, but not cyano wich could itself benefit from vodka. Its a bacteria as well.

Fwiw, i would not dose vodka, but go with Randy's suggestion of using sugar as a carbon source for bacteria.

I would like to know more on why this works.
 
I cant find a suggested page to read, or any for that matter. But i remember that its very small amounts. Also keep in mind that using vodka, sugar ect.(carbon sources) results in a huge lowering of oxygen. Why? Because the bacteria use up the oxygen. You dont want dead fish, so put a pinch for ever 200gallons imo. go safe, rather than sorry.

Fwiw, Randy does not recommend using sugar or vodka. But go post there to get more technical. Hes a great guy. :)
 
No they mean the drink.

I've seen some disastrous results from doing this and refuse to buy into the hype and claims.
This seems to show up about every 3-4 months.
 
Doesn't work for me...vodka that is. I still have half of that huge bottle from Costco, and I don't drink vodka either. What do I do with it? Flush it down the drain and use the bottle to mix lime?
 
I used lab grade 70% ethanol instead of vodka. Since I dont have 5 identical tanks I tried it 5 seperate times with a month rest in between. Each time, the phosphate levels dropped quickly and nitrate went down much more slowly. A couple (2/5)of times I noticed a short-lived cyano bloom. The softies didnt seem to like the ethanol initially but they came back once I backed off the dosage. The skimmer definitely changed the night after ethanol started.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6324064#post6324064 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
FWIW, I din't say that sugar was better, only that vodka (ethanol), vinegar (acetic acid), and sugar (sucrose) all are carbon sources that drive bacteria
Perhaps you can explain a bit about carbon sources driving bacteria ... are these sources targeting a particular type of bacteria (anaerobic?) and since we live in a carbon based world why are these substances more beneficial than the other carbon sources we stick in the tank? Any insight appreciated.
 
Okay. I'm going to go out on a branch here. This could be totally wrong now. And it is also an answer to how I perceive your question, Kevin2000. I could be WAAAYYY off though.

The use of these carbon sources, such as sucrose and ethanol, get directly used as immidiate energy so they can process their "food" (nitrates, phosphates, etc) for more carbon source energy so they can keep on living and reproducing. It's a give and take situation. You give it the "power" to live, and it will live harder/better. And in order for it to live, it needs to "digest" those simple organic compounds that we have building up in our tanks into something useful. Here is an example, and please pardon the adolescense of it. But think of this scientifically, please. It's the only useful example I can think of. Sperm store and use simple sugars (sucrose if I remember right) that is also found in the semen in order to power themselves to achieve their goal of getting to the egg and fertilizing it. You can power-up these cells by adding excessive amounts of simple sugar. They immidiately use it and you can see that in the statistical finding of doctors that study this. They are more aggressive and energetic to get their life goal finished. To put this in terms of our anaerobic and aerobic bacteria, when we add a carbon source they aggressively try to complete their lifes goal. Which in our case is use nitrates, phosphates, and other compounds to grow and reproduce. That is their life goal. We are just giving them the steroids to do it :) But, as to why the carbon sources that Randy has listed are better than others is because they are simple compounds that are readily consumed by the bacteria. I'm sure you could add some other source, but it would have to break down into a simpler form first.

Now which bacteria is powered by what carbon source is better left to the real experts.

Now what I want to know is does the marine bacteria that uses these carbon sources to help reduce organic compounds store extra energy? Do they store it in their mitochondria (spelling?)? Do bacteria have mitochondria?
 
Would glucose also be a siutable source of carbon

Yes.

Some proponents of the vodka system claim to have tried a variety of carbon sources, and find ethanol best from a cost perspective and because they claim, it drives the "right" bacteria more than do other sources (like sugar)
 
im new on this "vodka" method.Can anyone tell me the procedures on how its used or dosed.Wich is the best way to use it? its mention in the thread that this method reduses phosphates.Is this true?
 
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