Went BB this last weekend! Yeah! (sorry long post)

LivingTropicals

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Okay, this is the start of my BB switching experience this last weekend. I'll start off by giving some background first. Then I'll post some pics later of before and after.

My tank is a 180 gallon and has been in use for 2 years now. I first started looking into BB as an alternative many months ago, maybe even a year ago but never had the gumption to do it (scared of the unknown).

Well, for the last year or more I've been battling cyano on my sandbed continually and no matter what I did could not get rid of it. My sand was that really, really fine sand (almost a powder) and never 100% liked it from the beginning. But because I already bought it decided to use it when I started the tank. Since then any powerhead or flow would cause a storm and end of with patches of BB anyways.

After reading much on this site, a few key people here (and my wife) made me finally decide to switch over. It was a long, monumental task that we (my wife and I) did all in one afternoon/evening. Overall took about 10 hours from beginning to end (stage to clean-up) to make the switch over, and man am I happy so far. Started at 3pm last Friday and finished at 1am on Saturday morning, non-stop just stopped long enough to eat some McDees.

I setup several shallow rubbermaid containers, with powerheads and heaters to keep all the livestock (sps, lps, clams, softies, inverts, anemones and fish) they stayed in there for the entire time with no ill effects. More much larger containers were setup to hold rocks - one to hold rocks for cleaning (removed all those small red tube worms that have taken over and anything else we didn't want), one to hold ro/di water for rock cleaning (cleaned and swished all rocks in fresh water to rid of nuisances) and another to keep all cleaned rocks in. Each of these containers was eventually used to store tank water in (plus the rocks) and everything was switched to buckets later on for rock storage and cleaning.

Once all the rocks were out of the tank I removed much of the remaining water into more buckets leaving only 2-3" of water on the bottom plus sand. With a wet vacuum, I vacuumed the all the remaining water out (thanks to my wife for this idea). With nothing but sand left I remove (using a measuring cup) all the sand - over 80lbs of it into buckets that I next day got rid of (dumped in the planter next to my house). After all the sand was removed a final wet vacuum was done to make it 100% clean and sand free.

The next step was to put the rock back in. I did not use any starboard and placed the rock right on the acrylic (very carefully mind you, placed all rocks best I could with flat sides down, so no points directly into the acrylic). Problem was that two rocks (of course the biggest two over 50 lbs each had my two anemones attached. So they had to wait and a spot ready for them once I got enough rock and water back into the tank I put them in.

Problem was that my RO unit was not making enough water to keep up, remember I was using RO water to clean my rocks and had to dump/replace that water about 5 times at 8 gallons each time. When all the rock and water was replaced I still had to make up 45 gallons of new saltwater using tap (not the best thing but I thought it better than wait overnight with corals in holding pins to make more water.) So tap water it was, did not imagine remove the sand would require so much makeup water to be made.

To keep the bottom free of crap, I placed all six of my SEIO 820s at the back of the rockwork, directly on the bottom of the tank at different angles - left, middle and right for all six of them. I left enough room in the back for my arm to fit down and remove/replace the pumps if I need to. I am very happy with that setup, though I do see powercords at the reef top but it has kept the bottom completely free of everything and pushes out to the front. I vacuumed, using a tube siphone into my filter sock, all the stuff off the bottom yesterday and again this morning more shedding that I'll get later.

A Tunze stream kit, TS24, has been purchased for additional flow that my SEIOs were doing. Since their in the back now I lost all the water column flow, only my return pump right now.

I will post some before and after pictures later. Any questions, feel free to ask. Sorry for the long post. Sean.
 
Very cool, welcome to the club. You did use de-clor on your tap water right?

A couple of comments,.. You say that you put the flattest part of the rock directally on the acrilic? This backwards, you want the points of the rocks on the acrilic so that no deatris builds up underneeth the rocks. Some people (including me) make "feet" for their rock by drilling holes in it and inserting a peice of acrilic rod, or cut up peice of (plastic) coathanger.

Now is the time that you find out if your skimmer is up to par, keep an eye on perams, and adjust the way you feed your skimmer to make sure it is doing it's job. I know this was the biggest fight for me; making sure deatris get's over the overflow, and making sure the skimmer gets a shot to process it all.

Another important thing is skimming wet, there are plenty of threads on that so I won't bore you, but it is important.

It is going to be hard in the first couple of months, lots of syphoning as the rock sheads and some changes to how you have your equiptment setup, but in the end I think you will smile and say "it was definitally worth it! :D "

Whiskey
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7102058#post7102058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wiskey
Very cool, welcome to the club. You did use de-clor on your tap water right?

A couple of comments,.. You say that you put the flattest part of the rock directally on the acrilic? This backwards, you want the points of the rocks on the acrilic so that no deatris builds up underneeth the rocks. Some people (including me) make "feet" for their rock by drilling holes in it and inserting a peice of acrilic rod, or cut up peice of (plastic) coathanger.

Now is the time that you find out if your skimmer is up to par, keep an eye on perams, and adjust the way you feed your skimmer to make sure it is doing it's job. I know this was the biggest fight for me; making sure deatris get's over the overflow, and making sure the skimmer gets a shot to process it all.

Another important thing is skimming wet, there are plenty of threads on that so I won't bore you, but it is important.

It is going to be hard in the first couple of months, lots of syphoning as the rock sheads and some changes to how you have your equiptment setup, but in the end I think you will smile and say "it was definitally worth it! :D "

Whiskey

Thanks Whiskey! Glad to part of this actually. Thanks for your comments and questions.

Yes, I used de-chlor that I had left from my tap water days - Prime.

Oh, not the flatest parts huh. Darn! Well, the rock isn't 100% flat everywhere, so mostly I can see all the way to the back of the tank and the SEIOs I put down there. I can see from one end to the other that the bottom (at night with a flashlight) is complete free of everything, nothing sitting around. Except in some spots, where I can siphon are little piles of junk. Hopefully this will work, I can't take them out again. Just no will to do that! Hopefully this will work good.

I am running an ETSS 800 downdraft skimmer. I'll post some pics of what it looks like skimming I hope it's wet enough. Pulls out wet light green skimmate (fills the overflow in 3 days or so) with the neck collected a dark green grunge soft mud that I clean weekly. Problem is that I have to run a filter bag otherwise the skimmer doesn't work properly. I was changing the bag out daily before so I'll have to keep this up I guess. Am I supposed to run bagless with BB?

I'm used to cleaning daily anyways so it shouldn't be too much more right now than I'm used to. Hopefully over time it will be less but I'm prepared nontheless.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7102183#post7102183 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LivingTropicals
Thanks Whiskey! Glad to part of this actually. Thanks for your comments and questions.

Yes, I used de-chlor that I had left from my tap water days - Prime.

Oh, not the flatest parts huh. Darn! Well, the rock isn't 100% flat everywhere, so mostly I can see all the way to the back of the tank and the SEIOs I put down there. I can see from one end to the other that the bottom (at night with a flashlight) is complete free of everything, nothing sitting around. Except in some spots, where I can siphon are little piles of junk. Hopefully this will work, I can't take them out again. Just no will to do that! Hopefully this will work good.

I am running an ETSS 800 downdraft skimmer. I'll post some pics of what it looks like skimming I hope it's wet enough. Pulls out wet light green skimmate (fills the overflow in 3 days or so) with the neck collected a dark green grunge soft mud that I clean weekly. Problem is that I have to run a filter bag otherwise the skimmer doesn't work properly. I was changing the bag out daily before so I'll have to keep this up I guess. Am I supposed to run bagless with BB?

I'm used to cleaning daily anyways so it shouldn't be too much more right now than I'm used to. Hopefully over time it will be less but I'm prepared nontheless.

No not the flattest parts, but just keep an eye on it, with all that flow behind you might be ok. Just look for deatris building up that you can't get to. As an alternitive to taking them all out again, it may be possible to slide a couple of small rock rubble peices (make-shift feet) under any rocks that cause problems.

Yes with BB it is a good idea to run filter sock less, but there are plenty of people who use them,.. they just change them daily. The idea behind this is that deatris breaks down much faster in a high flow envryoment (like a filtersock) then it does in a lower flow envryoment (bottom of your tank/sump) also if it is in the sock the skimmer has no chance at getting it.

Do post a picture of your skimmer, I am no expert at wet-skimming, but I have been doing a lot of reading on it and I am sure I can help at least a little. I think I have my skimmer working right, I posted a video of it and put it up to vote, the results are pending :D .

HTH,
Whiskey
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7102372#post7102372 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wiskey
No not the flattest parts, but just keep an eye on it, with all that flow behind you might be ok. Just look for deatris building up that you can't get to. As an alternitive to taking them all out again, it may be possible to slide a couple of small rock rubble peices (make-shift feet) under any rocks that cause problems.

Yes with BB it is a good idea to run filter sock less, but there are plenty of people who use them,.. they just change them daily. The idea behind this is that deatris breaks down much faster in a high flow envryoment (like a filtersock) then it does in a lower flow envryoment (bottom of your tank/sump) also if it is in the sock the skimmer has no chance at getting it.

Do post a picture of your skimmer, I am no expert at wet-skimming, but I have been doing a lot of reading on it and I am sure I can help at least a little. I think I have my skimmer working right, I posted a video of it and put it up to vote, the results are pending :D .

HTH,
Whiskey

I like your idea about just adding some rock pieces undeneath, that just might work. If not, I'll let it sit for now and see how it does. If it's really a lot buildup, I'll change it around completely again. Only half the time right!

I'm just stuck with the sock I think. When it's not there the skimmer only runs 2-3" up the lower neck portion, that's it. I'm changing it daily now so no big deal. What's the best way to clean. I power spray clean and let dry only. Works good and get's everything out but maybe there's a better method by BB tanks running socks?

I'll post a few pics later on from before and after of my skimmer and the tank/process. I just cleaned it (skimmer) also on Saturday so we'll see how much in two days.

Where's the link to your video? Thanks for your help!!!
 
So you are using the sock for skimmer output restriction? Just replace it with a gate valve, it would be much more constant, and you could set the water level in the skimmer wherever you want. That is how I set the waterlevel in my MR-2.

Whiskey
 
No, not at all...good point though. You'll see my pics later...gate valve included. I think the problem's because the skimmer intake (off my iwaki 55 on the side of the sump) in just beneath 2 drain's into the sump and without the sock the slosh from the water drainage causes the skimmer level to drop, like it can't get enough water in or it's water with too many bubbles/air. I'll have to call the manu and see what they say.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7103361#post7103361 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wiskey
So you are using the sock for skimmer output restriction? Just replace it with a gate valve, it would be much more constant, and you could set the water level in the skimmer wherever you want. That is how I set the waterlevel in my MR-2.

Whiskey
 
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