What camera?

[Saltcity]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7917383#post7917383 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Desert Fox
Personally i think it's just you, and for the hundreds of other people that say that, i think it's just them. Most people don't realize that the reason they see differences between the two brands is almost exclusively because two separate photographers will have different processing techniques among them, and the end result is falsely attributed to the camera rather than the individual's tastes.

You said you look at DPReview a lot. Take a look at various cameras' test photos which have been unprocessed with the exception of a raw conversion (which, IMO, is where the major brands stray the furthest from each other: the converters). I doubt you'll see much difference in the unedited photos taken at similar ISO levels until you get above 1600 or more where Canon will certainly pull ahead unedited because of the wonders of CMOS and how they've integrated them.

Film SLRs had more to do with the film itself. If you put Velvia in one camera and the Kodak cheap stuff in the other, regardless of brand, i guarantee the Velvia will look better, all other things being equal.

I gotta agree that I see more Nikon pics that look terrible (camera or photographer) than Canon. I think it's probably because Canon is on top and most professionals want the best........ Plus, us Canon guys are just cooler!

 

[gregr]

From my trusty old Canon G2:

From the camera I've been using for the last two years (Canon 1DMII):

I'll offer another point of view on the idea that pictures from Canon look different than Nikon... because I think they do I think that Nikon images lean towards the cool side and Canon towards the warm side. Anyone familiar with Photoshop can change that in about a half a second, but I've used a friend's D2X enough to know that the pictures are markedly different than the ones I take with my [Canon] camera. Ultimately what Desert Fox said is true- everyone has their own processing techniques and that explains the differences you see, but there is a marked difference coming out of the cameras.
By the way- I used the same raw converter (Capture One) for all my images- Nikon or Canon.

 

[hahnmeister]

Yeah, its been a while, so Im not up to date, but I seem to remember a couple years ago that Canon was tauting how it had the best CCD's on the market, and Nikon and a few others were trying to catch up in this regard.

Im not a total fanboy or anything, but I do remember back when it was just 35mm, and then any camera salesman or techie would openly admit that Nikons had a different look to them (back then, Nikon had a dominant share of the market from pros as well).

Its quite possible that this 'look' is something not only with the software, but with the CCD as well... at least, that is what Canon claims... the larger CCD will almost always look better when it comes to the details.

Boy, sure wish you Canon guys were around when I took this beating...
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=842828&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

I couldnt stand my Nikon D70.... thats for sure. And now my 5700 is back at Nikon, in the shop for yet another Nikon recall... this one is so bad that they are still giving a free fix long after the warranty is over (defective CCD). My 20d, and now 30d have been flawless. My .02

 

[Clouded]

What about the cannon rebel? are they any good?

 

[Molino]

Taken with a Canon Rebel XT and external flash. So far I've been very happy with this camera. What may influence your photos more than the camera itself though (if you get a Digital SLR) is which lenses/flashes you have to go with it. Of course the most important thing to get good photos is the photographer.

 

[hahnmeister]

The new rebel XT is a good camera... perhaps the best entry-level D-SLR around. My dad picked one up and Im rather impressed with it. Its not quite as nice as when you step up to the 30d, but its do-able.

 

[Blazer88]

I love my Rebel XT, great camera. Here are a few pics taken with the 18-55mm kit lens (some have a close-up kit though). And I agree, it's mostly going to be the person using the camera and post-processing (to some extent of course) that will determine the images. I've seen some pure crap from a 20D or 30D....I don't think the camera was to blame

 

[jeffbrig]

Blazer, are those pictures crops? I didn't think you could get anywhere near that close with the 18-55....

 

[Blazer88]

They are crops. Not by much though, those close-up kits rock. The Ricordia, Zoos, and Blenny were with the close-up kit, the Goby and Clown weren't. They were pretty close to filling the frame in those shots straight from the camera.

 

[lessthanlights]

As a professional photographer that owns and have had MANY cameras (Nikon d2x d200 d1x d100 and d70) I can tell you it's the shooter not the camera. On that note if you have the money I would spring for the Nikon D200- it's one of the best prosumer cameras anywhere.

 

[lessthanlights]

great pics blazer!!!!

 

[smokez01]

im seeing alot of of canon and nikon debate, and am currently looking for a new digital camera,

the two that i have my eyes on are the sony dsc-n1, a 8.1 megapixel cybershot

and the olympus 720 sw, the sylus 7.1mega pixel

anyone have any thoughts on those two manufacturers? i am trying to look for something to get clear and vibrant shots of my reef with, and also able to take scenic and portrait photos of while having the ability to have a casing for underwater photography

 

[hahnmeister]

ksupermnp, hows the 200's automatic settings? My latest Nikon (D70) couldnt take a photo of a snail unless you set it a month ahead of time... okay, not that bad, but it was slow. I couldnt take action shots well if at all. The low-light abilities were also shotty (and the 5700 is just plain crap in this regard)... the auto focus left much to be desired in anything less than bright outdoors. FWIW, both of my Nikons are at Nikon right now getting repairs as well. One with a defective/recalled CCD (the 5700 pro-am), and the other with some unknown problem (the D70 wont turn on). These experiences have made me pretty much swear off Nikons all together... If they were to win me back, it would have to be good... reaaalllly good.

How do you feel about the 200 vs the Canon 30d?

For me, the one tell-tail sign has always been resale $$$. The Canons seem to keep their value until the last day on the market. The Nikons seem to drop faster. The 200 for instance... already down $200-300 while the Canon 30d still stays at MSRP. Both of my Nikons are something like half the price of when I bought them within a year... where with my Canon 20d, It was selling for $100 less then when I bought it when the 30d came out... that helped me get my value from it come resale time.