falcon41176
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what would you pay for a superman monti. it is about 5x5 inches in size. thanks josh
what would you pay for a superman monti
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falcon41176
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they wont frag it . is from the local fish place
and sell off part of it to get your money back.falcon41176
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they want 200 for it. think i will snag it then. thank you and they have a sunset for the same price . but it is a little bigger
MiddletonMark
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Exactly.
If it were `for sure' aquarium grown and `the real deal' ... then I'd still pass, but would consider 3 figures to be expected for such a large piece. [$200 is overpriced, still, IMO]
If it's a wild coral that looks roughly the same, I wouldn't spend more than $75 on it. It's a wild coral, might not look as stunningly colored as the captive strain. Nevermind it's just being overpriced then - as likely the diver was paid the same as for a different, less marketed, Monti variety.
If the superman is hardy, grows fairly quick ... time will price it much cheaper. If not - I don't want a coral that isn't hardy or grow very quick.
jay24k
Active member
I have to chime in to agree. Wild colonies can be just flaky and all of a sudden it could just wipe out. I've seen it before.
If I may ask, at what point does wild become aquacultured? If it is in you tank for 3 years and was wild at one point, wouldn't that now be aquacultured? Everything at one point was wild. I would just think the stability of the coral is now better for aquriums.
If I may ask, at what point does wild become aquacultured? If it is in you tank for 3 years and was wild at one point, wouldn't that now be aquacultured? Everything at one point was wild. I would just think the stability of the coral is now better for aquriums.
falcon41176
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i will find out if it is wild or not tomorrow
MiddletonMark
Premium Member
IMO, in a sense, aquacultured means multiple people have kept it in aquariums and failed to kill it
Honestly, I guess I would say having all skeleton/polyps grown in-tank would change the coral to aquacultured IMO. Such as, if I get a wild colony - when it grows a brand new branch, which I eventually frag + give to a friend ... that 100% in-aquaria grown part would be aquacultured. I'm unsure if the original base I would call aquacultured ... just everything that grew in my tank from it.
Personally, that's the bare end IMO - when frags they then cut would be aquacultured for-sure ... a generation/tank/keeper away from the wild coral.
It's a weird dividing line ... but like the definition of colony as being something you can cut a frag from without any significant visual difference ... it's a grey line. I haven't heard a `generally agreed upon' rule that I remember.
IMO, if all the polyps/skeleton were grown in aquaria - it's aquacultured. Cutting up a wild coral + stabilizing it [even if for months] I wouldn't call `true' aquaculture ... but that's just my definition. Others work on different definitions.
Others I'm sure will disagree, and have validity to their arguments too I bet. Heck, in time I'll likely have a different definition.
IMO a frag from a frag is the rule for aquaculture. Wild colony is first generation. Second frag is first cutting second generation. Still wild in my book. First cutting from second generation is true aquaculture or third generation.
I would not pay more than $100 for a wild montipora and that is pushing it. As an example, 500 wild blue with red polyped monti's that get imported maybe only 3-4 will hold that color. Maybe more but maybe less. I had about two dozen purple monti's brought into my systems over the years and only one ever got that color scheme. I also had a buddy give me one that kept it's color as well. So wild 1 out of 24. Aquacultured 1-1. I like the aquacultured odds.
Gooch
I would not pay more than $100 for a wild montipora and that is pushing it. As an example, 500 wild blue with red polyped monti's that get imported maybe only 3-4 will hold that color. Maybe more but maybe less. I had about two dozen purple monti's brought into my systems over the years and only one ever got that color scheme. I also had a buddy give me one that kept it's color as well. So wild 1 out of 24. Aquacultured 1-1. I like the aquacultured odds.
Gooch
AWExotics
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I think it is great to define what is Aquacultured.... but let's call Aquarium Grown pieces Captive Propagated or "CP" and leave the Aquacultured or "AC" the the corals being grwon in the ocean for this hobby..
I consider my corals CP if they are atleast 50% in aquarium growth. In the long run.. al my stock will be 100% grown in Aquariums. I also like to have encrusted bases as oppossed ot fresh cut on the pieces I offer but thta is not always possible... Time will let me work out how we will be doing it.
Just my .02
Todd
I consider my corals CP if they are atleast 50% in aquarium growth. In the long run.. al my stock will be 100% grown in Aquariums. I also like to have encrusted bases as oppossed ot fresh cut on the pieces I offer but thta is not always possible... Time will let me work out how we will be doing it.
Just my .02
Todd
jackson6745
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FWIW a LFS by me sells 5" wild colonies of the "superman danae" for $50. It's hit or miss with these wild colonies. So far I missed 3 times 
falcon41176
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what do you think if i had them keep it for two weeks if i put a deposit. and see if it makes it
marine_freak
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My experience has been the larger the wild colony the harder it is to keep in your system..... many times they grow to certain light specs and this is hard to replicate in a home aquarium...parts bleech or die due to insufficient or too much light.l
