Which Korallen-Zucht Zeo supplements to buy?

Toomnymods

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I'm about 15 months into my current reef tank build, and all equipment is listed in my signature.. I currently test for 0 nitrates 0 phosphates and still able to grow chaeto in my refugium, so I know my tank obviously still has some.. I keep my alkalinity around 10, and ph around 8.25, and CA levels stay at 480-500 But just have very slow stagnant coral growth. I just recently bought some Zeo supplements about 4 days ago and I'm kinda confused as to which Zeo supplements are definatly needed and which wouldn't benefit my system, I was looking at bulk reef supply earlier and was amazed that they have such a extensive supplement system, but obviously would take like 1,000 bucks just to get them all, and I'm sure all of it isnt needed for the average aquarist. I'm wanting explosive sps growth,color, and well being. I also have some lps and a clam so i'd like to keep them happy as well
can you tell me if what I'm dosing now from thier supplement line is enough or should I buy more and what works best for you guys??

List of my current Zeo supplements used :
Currently i'm dosing for a 125 gallons of tank water
Coral Snow (dosing 5ml every other day)
Pohl's Xtra (5ml daily)
Pohl's B-Balance (5ml daily)
Amino Acid concentrate (5 drops daily)
Pohl's coral vitalizer (5 drops daily)
Sponge Power (5 drops daily)

*Amino Acid concentrate for LPS on the way from marine depot*
 
Good color just don't grow.. Only one with good polyp extension is rose milli, hate to sound stupid but what is UNLS??
 
guess you mean Ultra Low Nutrient System? I'd probably say yes. I have currently 8 fish in my 90 gallon DT and they eat NewLife Spectrum pellets twice a day, and a frozen treat of mixed/blended concoction of uncooked shrimp, clams, mussels, nori red/ green algae, PEmysis, teaspoon of lemon juice (enhances flavor for finiky fish) and Kent ZEO vitamins, American Marine Selcon vitamins, and lastly vitamin c. I only feed this once every other day cause daily it causes cyano bacteria, but the fish go nuts over the frozen food and have awesome coloration and health.
I also dose 2 teaspoons of ocean nutrition Phytoplankton 3 times a week, 2 teaspoons of ocean nutrition oyster eggs 3 times a week and lastly 2 teaspoons of rotifeast 3 times a week.

Also run 150ml of GFO in a reactor and 2 cups of carbon in a reactor and change both once a month..
Do weekly 15 gallon waterchanges with Tropic Marin ProReef salt, and of course I have a good RO/DI unit..
I have all the best equipment money can buy I just havent seen hardly 1" of sps growth in a year it's boggling to me
 
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I don't think any of those supplements will increase your growth, although I could be wrong. Those supplements are mainly for color and polyp extension and growth when a system lacks nutrients on its own like when running zeo or UNLS. If your corals have good color then I'd predict that nutrients are sufficient. What is your mag? Alk of 10 is high for a ULNS and known to cause burnt tips. I wouldn't dose all those at once. I would try either aminos or CV first and see how your corals react to it first before moving forward.

What test kits are you using?
 
I don't think any of those supplements will increase your growth, although I could be wrong. Those supplements are mainly for color and polyp extension and growth when a system lacks nutrients on its own like when running zeo or UNLS. If your corals have good color then I'd predict that nutrients are sufficient. What is your mag? Alk of 10 is high for a ULNS and known to cause burnt tips. I wouldn't dose all those at once. I would try either aminos or CV first and see how your corals react to it first before moving forward.

What test kits are you using?

testing with API master reef test kit, and phosphate is checked by LFS with some sort of electronic meter that shoots a laser beam thru the test water to count ppm
 
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Go slow with supplements. I would start with adding a minimum amount of zeo amino acids. These are highly concentrated and can be overdosed easily. I really like coral vitalizer. I do not run zeo, but a couple supplements used very sparingly will help in the right situation.
 
If you have the money, I would definitely get the basic 4. Thats what I have plus amino acid concentrate. I really, really like how the basic 4 works and how low my nutrients go. My DT's skimmer pump imploded and released some sort of bonding material, which crashed my DT. But it should be up and running soon with the zeovit system again, which I love.

Honestly, I feel like for the non-basic 4 supplements to be most effective as they were designed, you need to run at least a ZeoVit reactor, ZeoBak, and ZeoStart3.

If your system is looking good I wouldn't change anything. Sometimes it takes a while for growth to take off. You never know.

Do you have pictures of your corals by chance?
 
If you have the money, I would definitely get the basic 4. Thats what I have plus amino acid concentrate. I really, really like how the basic 4 works and how low my nutrients go. My DT's skimmer pump imploded and released some sort of bonding material, which crashed my DT. But it should be up and running soon with the zeovit system again, which I love.

Honestly, I feel like for the non-basic 4 supplements to be most effective as they were designed, you need to run at least a ZeoVit reactor, ZeoBak, and ZeoStart3.

If your system is looking good I wouldn't change anything. Sometimes it takes a while for growth to take off. You never know.

Do you have pictures of your corals by chance?


What this guy said :)

The OP seems to already be dosing the most popular and beneficial supplements for ULNS. The only things I would add to the list IMO would be KZ Potassium iodide Flouride or K-Balance. It gives me very nice blue and purple coloration on some of my corals. Zeospur is also pretty popular, it lightens up corals and gives them the more pastel colorations that you see in Zeo tanks. It should be used sparingly as there have been people that have crashed their systems due to overuse of Zeospur.

If you intend on going full Zeo I highly suggest joining the KZ Zeovit forums as there is a great wealth of knowlege and experience with the system.
 
thanks guys.. i really dont have room to run the pellets even if i wanted to.. my sump is completelty full as well as my stand, unless i could put the zeo-vit reactor outside of the sump? maybe 3 feet away from my tank? if not it'll just have to wait. only option i could think of is putting the reactor where i have my refugium in my sump but i hate to give up on it cause i need a place where pods can re-establish themselves.
 
well you need to set a plan ... what are your goals ? grow SPS ? or keep the pods and biodiversity .... ?

also, let us know EXACTLY what you dose now, KZ stuff, and we can helpw you change that to make things better.
 
well you need to set a plan ... what are your goals ? grow SPS ? or keep the pods and biodiversity .... ?

also, let us know EXACTLY what you dose now, KZ stuff, and we can helpw you change that to make things better.

it's all in first post.. :)
 
it's all in first post.. :)

List of my current Zeo supplements used :
Currently i'm dosing for a 125 gallons of tank water
Coral Snow (dosing 5ml every other day)
Pohl's Xtra (5ml daily)
Pohl's B-Balance (5ml daily)
Amino Acid concentrate (5 drops daily)
Pohl's coral vitalizer (5 drops daily)
Sponge Power (5 drops daily)

???

again , I ask you, what is your goal ?

lower nutritions, so cheato stops growing, bacterioplankton system, and good growth on SPS ?

if so, you are missing the most important part of a bacterioplankton / carbon dosing system ! the Start3 which is the carbon source.



OR are you just using some KZ additives to improve the colors of your corals that are too PALE right now ? [cause the dosing you have posted, is for a system with LOW nutritions, PALE corals so u dose all that food to make corals color up.]
 
Honestly, I feel like for the non-basic 4 supplements to be most effective as they were designed, you need to run at least a ZeoVit reactor, ZeoBak, and ZeoStart3.

somewhat true ... but not exactly, for Amino acids to work as they should for example, you need a lower nutrition system. but not just addition of bak ...

hope to see your new system soon :)

jnc914 --- INCREASED K+ has no positive effect. K+ should be kept at 390 PPM, anythign over would cause burned tips and hair lagae. so increase K+ doesnt mean good color,. correct K+ means that.
 
List of my current Zeo supplements used :
Currently i'm dosing for a 125 gallons of tank water
Coral Snow (dosing 5ml every other day)
Pohl's Xtra (5ml daily)
Pohl's B-Balance (5ml daily)
Amino Acid concentrate (5 drops daily)
Pohl's coral vitalizer (5 drops daily)
Sponge Power (5 drops daily)

???

again , I ask you, what is your goal ?

lower nutritions, so cheato stops growing, bacterioplankton system, and good growth on SPS ?

if so, you are missing the most important part of a bacterioplankton / carbon dosing system ! the Start3 which is the carbon source.



OR are you just using some KZ additives to improve the colors of your corals that are too PALE right now ? [cause the dosing you have posted, is for a system with LOW nutritions, PALE corals so u dose all that food to make corals color up.]

so how do i go about getting a carbon dosing system? what is that for and im confused as hell, i already run carbon in a reactor to pull impurities out of the water, now ur saying i need another carbon?
im very new to this so please excuse my stupidity.. coral color is great even before i started dosing the coral supplements, but the growth is very stagnant, yes i want a sps tank that has explosive growth, color, and health. So all ur saying i need to add is zeo start3? is this another food for the coral?
 
so how do i go about getting a carbon dosing system? what is that for and im confused as hell, i already run carbon in a reactor to pull impurities out of the water, now ur saying i need another carbon?
im very new to this so please excuse my stupidity.. coral color is great even before i started dosing the coral supplements, but the growth is very stagnant, yes i want a sps tank that has explosive growth, color, and health. So all ur saying i need to add is zeo start3? is this another food for the coral?

oh no no, dont feel stupid :) and your questions are great way of understanding the bacterioplankton system.

so lets get some words correct first, you are running GAC in a reactor, Activated CArbon, which removes organics from water.

CArbon dosing, is refered to dosing of Vodka, Vinegar, or Sugar, solid pellets, or many other forms which after addition to water would break down, and its CARBON source can be used by bacteria to grow, the bacteria that grow, consume no3 as food, and use po4 to build their cell structure and so on ! this way, we have bacteria lowering and taking care of systems N and Ps ! we just promote their growth by adding the missign piece, a carbon source.

carbon source of Zeovit system is Start3. Carbon source of pellets for example, is the solid pellets which break down in water over time !

Zeolith, is the media on which bacteria are allowed tyo grow, same way they grow and colonize rocks and sand and glass and so on.

so that is how Zeovit system lowers system nutrition to make your cheato stop growing ! you put Zeoliths in a filter, add start3 [carbon source] to feed bacteria, and bacteria eat N and P in water, and then they get removed by being eaten by corals, or by being skimmed out !

this method, has ability to clean your tank to ULNS levels, but before that, yuou need to lower your alk to 7.0 . higher would give you problems with lower nutritions.

now, since there aer no more N or P left in water, your SPS will starve ! their only food becomes the bacteria, they fade in color a bit too. other additives like Xtra are ment to FEED these bacteria, so they contain better nutritions in them, so when corals eat them they can use those nutritions to color up as we want.

think of Zeovit as stripping water of all dirty stuff, and adding what we need as much as we need later on.

BAK . since you are promoting growth of bacteria, it is possible for one group to become dominant, and take over other groups of bacteria, which wont be good fro your system, thats why we dose BAK from zeovit to provide variety of bacteria...

that's it for lowering nutritions. now lets look at additives you dose :

Coral Snow (dosing 5ml every other day)
dose this once a week. it is magnesium and calcium carbonate basically, size of 2 micro. it would bond with bacteria, or organics, and make skimmer able to remove them, or make corals able to consume them. overdose can make corals look white.

Pohl's Xtra (5ml daily)
Explained above, in case coral color is pale add this, my fav additive, gives 3d effect to color of coralan dsome flourecence.

Pohl's B-Balance (5ml daily)
STrontinum plus other stuff, brightens color of corals and makes reds better.

Amino Acid concentrate (5 drops daily)
its used for systems with REALLY LOW nutrition,stop dosing this, and if needed after try AA [not concentrate] concentrate is used for low nutritions system, with LPS, not showing any polyp in which case the nutritions have gone too low and you need this for. its short chained AA.


Pohl's coral vitalizer (5 drops daily)
coral food, increases growth,. but onlyu if po4 is already low.

Sponge Power (5 drops daily)
food for sponges, which in turn filter water, and polish it !sponges can eat extra carbon in water, or extra bacteria ;)


so as you see,, its a whole system, you first need to dose start3, and bak and Sponge power, to lower nutritions [you can do without Zeoliths],
after your cheato stops growing, remove the cheato an light from fuge.

then according to color of SPS, you can start different additives, to increase growth of coloration as you want it.

another good additive is biomate, which eats detritus and mulm from rocks and sand, and would lower po4, but I would only add this to line up, after yu have lowered the N and P with start3 and bak.

HTH, any questions, let me know :)

A MUST read :
http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/probiotics-demystified

for your system, Id advice .5 ml two times a day of start3.
bak, 5 drops, 3 times a week.
SP, 5 drops, with bak.

for a couple of weeks till nutritons lower, and cheato stops growing, then add other stuff to make things what u want them to be.
 
ok so I need to buy the start 3 and bak? I think i might be able to squeeze in a small reactor provided its not too big of a footprint into my sump, I'd just have to take off the sponge prefilter off of my mag-12. I'll start dosing those 2 immediatly if that is what you suggest and stop dosing the amino acids till i have the zeo pellet reactor working.
Any good reccomendations on which to buy? I'm already pretty familiar with the Precision marine reactors it easily can hold 250ml of media, it has a imput and output and doesnt take up much if any room, thier like a 4" acrylic reactor that is little over 14" tall. I can plumb it into my manifold and use a ball valve to control the flow of water thru it. or do u suggest another method?
i'll have about 450.00 this friday to spend on whatever you reccomend, and i'll find a way to fit it into my system even if i have to tear down the refugium, i really hate to cause i like having the pods, but i much rather have a tank full of sps to look at,lol

thanks for your help almost.. very descriptive post, it helped me understand more about what zeo-vit supplements really are. im so used to dosing kent marine stuff, i just thought this was a more potent type of supplements, i had no idea they where trying to develop new strains of bacteria in the ecosystem for it to work..
 
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ok so I need to buy the start 3 and bak? I think i might be able to squeeze in a small reactor provided its not too big of a footprint into my sump, I'd just have to take off the sponge prefilter off of my mag-12. I'll start dosing those 2 immediatly if that is what you suggest and stop dosing the amino acids till i have the zeo pellet reactor working.
Any good reccomendations on which to buy? I'm already pretty familiar with the Precision marine reactors it easily can hold 250ml of media, it has a imput and output and doesnt take up much if any room, thier like a 4" acrylic reactor that is little over 14" tall. I can plumb it into my manifold and use a ball valve to control the flow of water thru it. or do u suggest another method?

Zeovit, does not use pellets, it uses Zeoliths. and they are ran in a Zeolith reactor. the stones, need to be cleaned, and changed. unlike pellets, a zeolith reactor has a handle to pump the stones with.

you need to first research, and read, instead of dosing your tank with a chemical I adviced. download the Zeovit guide, if that is what you want to go with, read it well. understand it and then go for it.[I wasnt joking when I said you need to lower alk neither[

Zeovit, is NOT for eveyone, if you are not willing to test, be accurate, look at your corals to see what they want and how they feel, then it would be possible to kill everything in your tank with a zeovit system, it takes alot of twicking and .... but it works very well if tyou deidcate the time for it. so if you think you can put the effort in, you will love it :)

not trying to discourage you or anything, but in reefing, there is not simple answer, its all in the methology. and you wont success untill you read and understand the methology behind it.[so you can twick your dosing based on what you see]

I would stop dosing Everything.
and just dose start3 and bak. test for po4 and no3, keep alk and S.G. Stable.

Also, about refugium. if you have cheato AND zeovit, there would be a fight over the nuitrition, and none of the methods would do its job well,. so I would remove the cheato and let Zeovit do its thing [you might see some browning, you cna incrase water change to not let that get out of hand]
a Fuge, I love the Idea as well, but in a lower nutrition system, its just a po4 sink ! it settles detritus [for pods to eat !] but those same detritus would give off po4 which could effect color of corals, and if too high effect calcification :)

Also, check out Zeovit site, good advices there, and there is a page called coral science ... if you wanted to get into it more.
 
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