Which Korallen-Zucht Zeo supplements to buy?

[EddieJ]

ok so I need to buy the start 3 and bak? I think i might be able to squeeze in a small reactor provided its not too big of a footprint into my sump, I'd just have to take off the sponge prefilter off of my mag-12. I'll start dosing those 2 immediatly if that is what you suggest and stop dosing the amino acids till i have the zeo pellet reactor working.
Any good reccomendations on which to buy? I'm already pretty familiar with the Precision marine reactors it easily can hold 250ml of media, it has a imput and output and doesnt take up much if any room, thier like a 4" acrylic reactor that is little over 14" tall. I can plumb it into my manifold and use a ball valve to control the flow of water thru it. or do u suggest another method?
i'll have about 450.00 this friday to spend on whatever you reccomend, and i'll find a way to fit it into my system even if i have to tear down the refugium, i really hate to cause i like having the pods, but i much rather have a tank full of sps to look at,lol

thanks for your help almost.. very descriptive post, it helped me understand more about what zeo-vit supplements really are. im so used to dosing kent marine stuff, i just thought this was a more potent type of supplements, i had no idea they where trying to develop new strains of bacteria in the ecosystem for it to work..

As for a reactor, you will want to go with one designed for Zeolites. The reason being is you will need to agitate / pump the rocks daily to clean the mulm off the stones. This bacteria will also feed your corals along with letting them get skimmed out as well. The Vertex reactors are pretty common and are well built. Just do a search on ZeoLite / ZeoLith reactors.

 

[Toomnymods]

ok, gonna buy this reactor this friday,
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/ad...eactors/vertex-zf-15-1-5-liter-zeovit-reactor
along with the zeolit basic 4 minus the food7 and amino acids cause i already have something similar
listed here:
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/additives/additives/zeovit-korallen-zucht/zeovit-basic-4

so then i let the bacteria colonize, and stop dosing the other stuff?

All i had to do to make room for this was take off the sponge prefilter, and the plastic guard off of my mag 12, turn it sideways and i have a 10"x7 3/4" space to work with in the last chamber post skimmer..

Will remove the chaeto friday, should i also remove the sand and reef rubble i placed in that section or leave it so the pods will have something ? in the meantime i will reduce alk to 7 as u reccomend, all i have to do is decrease my bubble rate and ph in the reactor will come up to 7.0, right now the effluent has a ph of 6.51 measured from my apex ph probe

Thanks for all the help guys..
cant wait to see this all develop..

 

[Allmost]

Sounds like a good plan.

you can also leave cheato in for a week or so, till bacteria colonize the zeoliths, and then slowly as you see cheato not growing remove it, dont let it die though.

this way u wont shock ure corals

the Zeoliths need to be exchanged every 6-8 weeks. but change them at 4 weeks at begining.

when you start with new Zeolith, add BAK daily for 10 days, then goto 2-3 times a week.

first zeolith change should be 50%. canges after should be 90%. leave a bit of old stones in for it to colonize.

what carbon GAC are you running ? I would recommend seachem matrix, KZ GAC [expensive for no reason] or something like these, no BRS ROX, those stuff are tooooo strong.

update here, or on zeovit site as you get closer to your 4 weeks or if any significant change on corals, to fine tune your dosing.

good luck you will enjoy the new system alot.

 

[Toomnymods]

Sounds like a good plan.

you can also leave cheato in for a week or so, till bacteria colonize the zeoliths, and then slowly as you see cheato not growing remove it, dont let it die though.

this way u wont shock ure corals

the Zeoliths need to be exchanged every 6-8 weeks. but change them at 4 weeks at begining.

when you start with new Zeolith, add BAK daily for 10 days, then goto 2-3 times a week.

first zeolith change should be 50%. canges after should be 90%. leave a bit of old stones in for it to colonize.

what carbon GAC are you running ? I would recommend seachem matrix, KZ GAC [expensive for no reason] or something like these, no BRS ROX, those stuff are tooooo strong.

update here, or on zeovit site as you get closer to your 4 weeks or if any significant change on corals, to fine tune your dosing.

good luck you will enjoy the new system alot.

can i see a pic of ur tank something to motivate me, hehe
im using the 90 gallon tank as a learning experience, ive had reef tanks for 6 yrs but this setup is really the first sps dominated tank ive owned..
thanks again for ur help..

 

[Allmost]

you are welcome, and probiotic systems are really fun, its a different experience. [feels like cheating at timeslol ]

I just bought a camera, so need time to practive, but here is a shot I took last night while trying to learn how to use the macro lens

I'll link u more pics as soon as I feel comfortable with my skills at taking them haha

 

[Toomnymods]

Wow very nice color.. Is ur background of ur tank that blue? I have a black background on mine but looks purple with all the corraline covering it

 

[Toomnymods]

forgot to ask, what phosphate, nitrate, potassium test kits should i buy that will read down to oppm (super low range )
im using api right now but i guess it doesnt do below 5ppm? what about salifert? what bout phospahte and potassium i dont think salifert has those test kits..

 

[jnc914]

jnc914 --- INCREASED K+ has no positive effect. K+ should be kept at 390 PPM, anythign over would cause burned tips and hair lagae. so increase K+ doesnt mean good color,. correct K+ means that.

Where in my post did I ever mention "INCREASED K+" ???? I use most of the above mentioned KZ supplements and test for Potassium in my system. I actually alternate between K+ and Potassium Iodide Flouride. In my post I suggest either or......The addition of the K+ has increased richer blues and purple in MY system. I have never experienced burnt tips or hair algae from the addition of K+. As with any of the KZ supplements, you use in moderation.

 

[Allmost]

forgot to ask, what phosphate, nitrate, potassium test kits should i buy that will read down to oppm (super low range )
im using api right now but i guess it doesnt do below 5ppm? what about salifert? what bout phospahte and potassium i dont think salifert has those test kits..

po4 Hanna low range.

NO3, I use salifert. I dont test this much.

K+, I use KZ, I hear good things about new salifert and Elos.

get a good KH test too, I use Elos and Hanna

 

[Allmost]

Where in my post did I ever mention "INCREASED K+" ???? I use most of the above mentioned KZ supplements and test for Potassium in my system. I actually alternate between K+ and Potassium Iodide Flouride. In my post I suggest either or......The addition of the K+ has increased richer blues and purple in MY system. I have never experienced burnt tips or hair algae from the addition of K+. As with any of the KZ supplements, you use in moderation.

Hello,

the effect you see on your coral colors, is due to iodine flouride increae, and not K+ if you try to increase K+ concentration using PIF, you would kill all corals due to iodine poisoning. K+, just like KH or CA++, should just be maintained

PS. love your Display picture ! trio of bandit ?!! wow.

 

[Toomnymods]

po4 Hanna low range.

NO3, I use salifert. I dont test this much.

K+, I use KZ, I hear good things about new salifert and Elos.

get a good KH test too, I use Elos and Hanna

For Hanna is that the digital electronic ones or do they have test kits also?

 

[Allmost]

For Hanna is that the digital electronic ones or do they have test kits also?

its digital. for the low range.

it would be a good "tool"

bit honestly, I dont even test for those anymore now ... your corals tell you all you need to know about the chemistry of water you just have to get to know your animals well.

at first though, it would be a goood tool, to maximize benefits of carbon dosing.

 

[Toomnymods]

thanks again, looks like i get to spend another 500.00 on testing equipment.. man this hobby is a huge sinkhole,lol but atleast i'll have most the stuff i need when i want to upgrade to a 350-400 gallon reef tank

 

[Toomnymods]

Right now I just did a 20 gallon waterchange and lights have been off for around 48 hours and towels wrapped around outside to block out outside lighting.. Trying to kill off the last of this cyano bacteria that just won't die on these two rocks.. Should I turn on lights for 10 mins tonight to feed my fish?? I really don't want my anthias to die

 

[Allmost]

why ?

dont turn lights off ! your cyano would die, and release its nutritions ! you dont want that. you want to remove those nutritions, by introducing a new type of bacteria, to fight with cyano. ZEOBAK

have you got your bak yet ?

if so, Id advice you dose coral snow, mixed with bak in AM, before light come on tomorrow. continue this daily untill cyano is gone. Zeozym +bak helps alot to.
ususlly takes 5-7 days for it to disapear.

[coral snow, which is basically caco3 and magnesium carbonate, would bond with bacteri and organic and let skimmer remove it, and more importantly, wont let cyano use it , ZZ is just an enzyme, to make BAK work extra hard]
not the most scientific explanation, but its easier to make sense of it this way.

 

[Toomnymods]

Nope the zeobak and zeo start3 will arrive tommrow Along with my 1.5l vertex zeolite reactor and 3L of zeolith media..
Yea I figured this would happen the bubble king is pulling out tons of gunk ATM I dosed coral snow by itself this morning. Ause I remember u said it helped break down nutrients. When u say mix with bak do u physically mean mix them together? Then add as one ? Or just add together one right after another to my system? I also turned down my calc reactor and my all is. Owning down today was low 9ish was 10 yesterday.. I lastly did a 20 gallon waterchange as well about 3 hours after I dosed the coral snow..

 

[chercm]

have you tried to read some of this :

http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10354

Try to slowly adjust the basic water parameters to the following ranges and try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges before starting the system:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

 

[Toomnymods]

my calcium will never get that low, ive always been at 460-480 even with a alk of 6-7

 

[Bigcefa]

I noticed nobody commented on your lack of polyp extension you said only your milli had good pe, that's a cause for concern . Have you checked for pests and do you get pe at night ??

 

[Toomnymods]

The acros show polyp extension at night but during the day u can just barely see the tips of the polyps sticking out the pores