I'm still trying to figure out what to run mine in and placement. I have 2 mp10 hooked up to a apex win. The issue I have is I run a shallow tank 24x24x12, I wanna keep the vortechs as high as I can, but I get way to much vortex that way. I'm looking for those shallow shields they used to make awhile ago, so that you can have them high in the tank without getting the vortex. I am having no luck finding them anymore though.