Which Z's&P's that you have like dirtier water?

[Fcamdog]

And the converse of the question, which Z's and P's that you've owned have thrived in very clean systems?

I have a 60g frag system that I run skimmerless. My LPS, softies and some of my Z's & P's are doing awesome. I also run a 30g breeder for fragging that I skim and have a H.O.B. refugium growing macro algea in. I would say this system has very clean water. For comparison I have started to transfer frags to it to compare which tank they do better in.

Anyone have any insight, or comments for me? I think this may also help some people figure out why certain zoas fade away on them. I know they come from all areas of the reef and from oceans around the world and water conditions are just not the same.

When I lived in Hawaii I collected water from Kaneohe Bay for my tank. For sh*ts and giggles one day I tested the water. Wow was I surprised! I can't remember exact parameters, but it was high accross the board, much poorer water quality than reefers would keep. The funny thing was, this was a functioning, thriving reef. Oh yeah, and there were some truly wicked Paly's!

Fcamdog

 

[flyyyguy]

none of them prefer dirty water, nor will any of them thrive more in dirty water than they will in pristine water

having lots of nutrients in the water is not the same as dirty, and having lots of nutrients in the water does not mean you have to have less than pristine water quality in order to do so

The myth that polyps prefer dirtier water comes from people witnessing their polyps starve in a clean tank with no nutrients, and then when they let it get dirty the polyps do better than when they were starving. To be perfectly honest the exact same thing can be said for sps. While sps can be a little pickier in concern to paramters, they will do better in a dirty tank than in a tank stripped of all nutrients



feed the tank and get it out before it rots is the name of the game in order to have both a clean tank, and healthy corals

 

[Fcamdog]

Do you feel smarter now? I believe you got the just of what I was asking and yet you still didn't answer my question.

For those that want to pick apart posts I should ask, what z's & p's that you have like more nutrient rich water parameters?

Also, what z's & p's that you've owned did best in extremely low nutrient water, very pristine conditions?

And since you already know everything flyyguy, don't bother reading my posts because there won't be anything to learn. I've only been successfully reef keeping for over ten years.

Fcamdog

 

[flyyyguy]

I was more answering this

I think this may also help some people figure out why certain zoas fade away on them..

Its a common myth said that polyps like dirty water, I certainly dont profess to know everything. Just trying to help anyone reading who may not know that isnt a true notion

I apologize. didnt mean to offend.


To more answer specifically as to types, the only polyps I have ever seen actually benefit from any direct feeding, or a tank with tons of food floating around are all protopalys such as all nuclear greens/purple death type, palythoa grandis, and all button and yellopw polyp types. Ive tried directly feeding pretty much everything else and it seems to not matter a whole lot for me

 

[jeff@zina.com]

Not a dirty/clean issue for me, but I find larger polyp corals doing better from either target feeding or broadcast feeding like Reef Snow. Smaller polyps aren't as appreciative.

Also, some do better with higher flow and more light, which may be why some do better in a SPS tank than others.

Jeff


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[j.p. harrington]

i would like to say that im a z/p freak atm lol i feed my tank daily and probably overfeed but have a skimmer that can keep up. use alot of REEF NUTRITIONS oyster feast/rotifeast. also feed cyclops mysis so on and so on.

i find that while i broadcast feed all this my protopalys/all larger polyps react alot but noticing lately since feeding more and more that all polyps even the smaller ones and now the smaller polyps are growing faster and faster. so im going to say as far as NUTRIENTS in the water MY smaller polps are benefiting more from it than the larger.

while typing this i thought about it and kinda makes sense that the larger ones can always grab stuff outta the water while the smaller ones may not get as much of a chance and with me feeding more they are starting to boom in production

also would like to add again that i added a crap load of LIVE PODS/ROTIFIERS and my colors seem to be intinsifying

 

[Tenor]

None of them like dirty water in my experience.

 

[zooty]

None of them like dirty water in my experience.

same here

 

[SIR PATRICK]

In mt experience- there is definitly different types of polyps that do better with very high nutrients and others that will not exist unless thee conditions are very low nutrient w/ feedings, and vice versa. I have been trying to find out myself, for the past 2 years, which like the higher and lower nutrient systems, and there is definitly a difference.

So far, I have found-

Many of the pinks palys and the larger polyp zoas like lower nutrient systems. I have also found that most of the really small polyp zoas do not do well in low nutrient systems either.

I have also found that the typical most common zoa, doesnt grow near as well as the larger polyps in a low nutrient system, but the larger polyps seem to grow just as well, or better in higher water quality with tank feeding compared to higher nutrient water.

I am still working to gain more info on this subject. I am currently running a low nutrient tank w/ polyps- and some of the typical weeds of the hobby (nuclear greens dragon eyes, green bay packers, ect) struggle just to sustain themselvess, and dont grow at all, while the pink zippers, mohawks, AOG and gobstoppers are going crazy. I have also seen that alot of those that have the lunar eclipses melt, I have seen in higher nutrient systems. I have yet to melt one. I am starting to beleive this in a lower nutrient system polyp also.

Just my experiences so far. Still working on gaining more.

 

[j.p. harrington]

In mt experience- there is definitly different types of polyps that do better with very high nutrients and others that will not exist unless thee conditions are very low nutrient w/ feedings, and vice versa. I have been trying to find out myself, for the past 2 years, which like the higher and lower nutrient systems, and there is definitly a difference.

So far, I have found-

Many of the pinks palys and the larger polyp zoas like lower nutrient systems. I have also found that most of the really small polyp zoas do not do well in low nutrient systems either.

I have also found that the typical most common zoa, doesnt grow near as well as the larger polyps in a low nutrient system, but the larger polyps seem to grow just as well, or better in higher water quality with tank feeding compared to higher nutrient water.

I am still working to gain more info on this subject. I am currently running a low nutrient tank w/ polyps- and some of the typical weeds of the hobby (nuclear greens dragon eyes, green bay packers, ect) struggle just to sustain themselvess, and dont grow at all, while the pink zippers, mohawks, AOG and gobstoppers are going crazy. I have also seen that alot of those that have the lunar eclipses melt, I have seen in higher nutrient systems. I have yet to melt one. I am starting to beleive this in a lower nutrient system polyp also.

Just my experiences so far. Still working on gaining more.

very interesting about you exp. with the pink liking lower nutrients. since ive ramped up my feeding my pink polyps have started to explode with growth. guess every system is not the same though.

do wonder how the zipper mohawks would do in my tank though because u have some coming in a few weeks