Why are my Cleaner shrimp attacking my Crocea?

guyguerra

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I have a crocea that is not doing well, and I don't know why. Now my cleaner shrimp are picking on it. They climb on top of it and pick at it. Any idea's what this means? Here's a picture of when it was healthy and now while it's not. I changed my rowaphos media 1 1/2 weeks ago and some of the fine particles got into the tank. I am assuming this caused the clam to do this. I have since done 3 water changes and shut off the phosphate filter. I have another crocea that is fine.

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Re: Why are my Cleaner shrimp attacking my Crocea?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6416564#post6416564 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by guyguerra
I have a crocea that is not doing well,
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They smell some expensive dinner coming up. Move the shrimps and see if the clam will heal.
 
I had the same problem with peppermint shrimp when I rescued my anemone from LFS. I knew that it wasnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t doing well but I was reasonably sure that I could save it. The shrimp kept picking at it making the situation even worse. I finally got rid of the shrimp and nursed the anemone back to health. Moral of the storyââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦the shrimp is trying to ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œcleanââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ its immediate environment, ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œcleanââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ the sick animal. You have to separate the clam, or the shrimp, to stop further irritation and to allow the clam to recover.
 
Cleaner shrimps will not pick at something that is alive and doing well.

It looks like pinched mantle to me - check for parasites or other things picking at it.
 
I do not agree that a cleaner shrimp won't pick at a clam that is healthy. I bought a cleaner once that went straight to one of my croceas. Within a week my clam looked pretty bad. I removed the shrimp and the clam recovered from the attack. That was over a year ago.
 
The shrimp haven't bothered the clams since I moved them. They don't like to stray too far from the anemone. To do that I had to move the clams off the sand bed and up into the high parts of the rock. This morning both clams tumbled down the rock. Is there a way to get them to stay put, or is this going to be another problem?
 
I had a cleaner attacking my Squamosa and it died a week and a half later. Everyone told me it was on its way out, and that cleaners only attack dying or dead stuff. What the real story is I don't know.
 
My clam is still aliv, but I don't kno for how much longer. They didn;t bother it while it was robust. I'll post whar happens in the future. Guy
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6446220#post6446220 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by guyguerra
To do that I had to move the clams off the sand bed and up into the high parts of the rock. This morning both clams tumbled down the rock. Is there a way to get them to stay put, or is this going to be another problem?

They didn't tumble. They jumped. They won't stay where they don't like it. They preferred the sandbed.

I banished my peppermint shrimp to my fuge because they are opportunistic. When they sense any animal/coral is stressed, they're on it like flies on $--t.

Russ
 
If you couln't tell my last post, my spell checker hasn't been working lately. Anyone else experiancing that? Today my clams didn't move and the shrimp haven't ventured the 5 feet to hunt them down. The clams looked better in the sand, but the fish were constantly foraging in the sand and were causing the clams to close a lot, so it seems like if they'll stay where they are at, everyone (except me) should be happy. One day at a time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6449911#post6449911 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by masterswimmer
They preferred the sandbed.


Croceas are rock dwelling clams. all but gigas and derasa are found up on the reef.

keep placing the clam back in the same spot up on the rocks. it will get used to it and should stay put
 
Thats what I though too. The clams just looked better on the sand, but there is too much activity in the front 'runway" so to speak for them to settle down. Thanks for your advice, Guy
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6450980#post6450980 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna
Croceas are rock dwelling clams. all but gigas and derasa are found up on the reef.

keep placing the clam back in the same spot up on the rocks. it will get used to it and should stay put

My Derasa has been on the rocks for well over a year and is growing like crazy. He planted his foot and I couldn't move him if I wanted to. My Maxima is on the sandbed, with a flat piece of rock buried in the sand beneath it and it is happy as a, well, clam!

Russ
 
How about squmosas's. I have a red coris that likes to play tumble the clam (this clams a small one). Can they go on the rock also? If not, I will make a lagoon for him, or put him in another tank.
 
some clam answers:
Crocea, are burrowing clams, they don't live in high rockwork but they do burrow into rockwork. Place a small piece of rubble beneath the foot and wait for it to attach and move it to a nice high place if you like, but remember that clams DO NOT like high water flow, mid to mid-high is goof but high water flow (usually reefers have high flow mid to high in their tanks) disturbs their mantles and will cause pinching in the long haul. Too many tumble from a high perch can and will eventually damage the clam so take your time and use the sand for attachment then placement.

Shrimps: Peppermint and Skunks are not attackers of clams but they are omnivores and are not adverse to cannibalism in a tank if food is scarce. Peppermint shrimps are notorious for going after clams after dark and cleaners are known to nip at the mantles of clams as well. this isn't the norm but definitely not out of the question either.

All clams can be placed on rockwork, Max, Crocea, Squas, Derasa, Hippos. Placement is a visual thing but the key is to make sure that the byssals(foot) is attached to something, i find using small rubble and flat slate rock works best, this will give you the opportunity to move them when you feel like it. Acclimation is the second step, depending on when you purchased your clam, you need to start them on the sandbed and acclimate them slowly towards your lighting. Example:
Week 1 : sandbed
Week 2: rockwork, maybe 4-6 inches higher
Weel 3: 3-5 inches higher
until it gets acclimated.

Good Luck
 
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