Will this sump design work

[dzhuo]

Guys,
I am planning for the sump of my ~150g and I would like to know what you think about this design. The tank will be a Penninsula style so I want the return and the drain to be on the same side. Another think I want to do with the sump is so waters are passed through both the skimmer and the fuge. Any suggestion and comments about this design?

 

[rguyler]

I like it...good use of space. My only concern is that I like a slow flow through a fuge and this forces all of your water to move through it so the flow through will equal your system flow rate. I might consider an L-shaped partition on the fuge side of the overflow from the skimmer chamber to divert some of the water directly to the return. I know you said you wanted all water to go through the fuge but I think with a small fuge like that it might be a mistake to do so.

My opinion though so YMMV.

 

[fodupos]

mine is set up similar to this the only thing i did was but a peice of acrylic that almost split the fuge in half so the water would have to go around it and would flow through the whole fuge

 

[dzhuo]

yes i was thinking about that too. i can actually use half the fuge to live rock and the other half for chaeto. can you post a picture of your sump?

 

[dzhuo]

alright, just a bump to see how everyone think about this...

 

[4jlong]

you need to close in the side that's facing us! :lol: :lol: :lol:

i think your design looks good. of course i don't have the experience that most of the others have but i can say that from what i've read-rguyler is right. it would be benificial to slow down the flow in the fuge. good luck!

 

[dzhuo]

so maybe something like that?

 

[lobsterotomy]

You would still get the same flow rate through the fuge with a partition like that. Try splitting the fuge almost in two lengthwise - so the front (closer to drain/return) would flow faster, and the area behind it would flow slower.

My sump is designed like your first drawing (albeit only 10g). At first the flow through was crazy, but eventually as it was choked full of chaeto, the bottom gets very little/very slow flow, and the across the top of the cheato along the water's surface I get pretty good flow.

 

[dzhuo]

hmmm... I thought I did split the fuge in half. Do you mean something else? Can you explain a bit? Thx!

 

[4jlong]

leaving your skimmer section some should go to the fuge and some should go to the return.

 

[dzhuo]

why is that? to slow down the gph in the sump?

 

[4jlong]

to slow down the gph in the fuge. i don't know how to do the drawings so i'll try to explain: the way i understand it, the best way to set up a sump with a fuge would be something like=if you have 500 gph entering the skimmer section then 250 gph should go to the fuge and 250 straight to the return section. then you have skimmed all of the water and the fuge can do it's job because there is not too much flow going through it. the split may be adjusted like 200 gph sraight to the return and the other 300 going through the fuge, but that's is the general idea. i would love to hear from more experienced reefers to be sure i have the right idea. hope this helps.

 

[lobsterotomy]

something like this, where there is a partition in the fuge area that doesn't quite divide it completely:

 

[dzhuo]

hmm... so like this where the divider doesn't really divide anything? what would these 2 sections used for then?

 

[lobsterotomy]

It keeps the part behind the partition from getting 100% of the flow from your system. Section B would experience less flow than section A as the divider would keep most of the flow to section A while still allowing for flow into section B albeit a lot less than the front section. Both would make up your refugium.

Also this would be interesting as I have read here and there that when cheato has slow flow it encourages development of pods, whereas with fast flow to make the chaeto tumble, the chaeto itself grows faster. Would be neat to have both in there.

 

[roadcrew]

here is a good thread i just read. its LONG. it might give you some ideas on how to divide that fuge area to making cryptic zones. happy reading!
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=969713&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

 

[4jlong]

sump design

sump design

first off, don't you love my photo skills :lol:

if you make an opening in A and make B's opening smaller, i think that would be the best way. good luck

 

[4jlong]

it didn't work the first time but i think i fixed it.

 

[MayorOfWhoVille]

Maybe this is obvious, but I'm wondering what is up with the baffles between the skimmer section and the fuge? It looks like the first one goes all the way across and is lower, while the second one doesn't go all the way across and is higher. I have never experienced this design before. I assume it has something to do with microbubbles? What does this specific design achieve? Not criticizing, just curious.

 

[dzhuo]

Re: sump design

Re: sump design

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14357706#post14357706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 4jlong
first off, don't you love my photo skills :lol:

if you make an opening in A and make B's opening smaller, i think that would be the best way. good luck

yes i was thinking about that as well but if i did that, some of the water would have escape to the return section without going through the fuge.