would love to start...need input

reeferwannabe

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Hi, I just signed up today after "stumbling" onto your site and seeing sidewinder770/reefmaiden tank, it awoke something that I wanted to do for over ten years which is to have a reef tank, after reading various threads I realized that mostly it covers doing it yourself which I know I don't have the know-how or the time to built it myself, so what I would like to do is go to a store and ask them for an approximately 300 gallon tank and all the equipment, I do have the place, so.....can someone please recommend what to buy.

Thanks in advance

reeferwannabe
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Go 4 it.

I would recommend to find somebody or several people local who have nice systems setup and looking good and design your system exactly like they have their system setup.
 
Make sure you read through all the sticky threads at the top of the Newbie forum. That way you should get an idea of certain pieces of equipment which you do (and more importantly) do NOT need...

I would recommend being very cautious when asking the fish stores what you should buy. Often they are not only wrong, but they will give you any bull crap story just to sell something...so basically they're gonna throw in a whole bunch of un-needed stuff, specially if you just go in there saying "i want a 300g tank...what do i need" ;)
 
Thanks, that's why I am here, trying to learn a bit before going to the store and hopefully gather some input from you guys….
 
You could also go to the store and ask them what they'd recommend, have them write it down, then ask here.

I bought a couple of books while I was planning my tank. They really helped me understand stuff and know what I would need to set the tank up. They certainly saved their cover price in making sure I got the right things for my tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10223302#post10223302 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reeferwannabe
drummereef,

thanks for the linky

No problem. There's no doubt at least a few people in your area with large tanks. I know a half a dozen people in my area with successful tanks over 350g. It's always good to go and hang with some of these guys and see first hand how a big system works. ;)
 
A few basic niceities---a pre-drilled [reef-ready] tank is a real good start. I'd hate to have to drill something that large and pricey.
As big a sump as you can possibly manage, with room for a refugium section. The biggest commercial one I've found is a 30g, but a 50 or even 100g wouldn't be too big for a 300g. I'm running a 30g on a 54g tank. The refugium supplies a 'green' area that will both help water quality and supply copepods to some fish and, I believe, corals, at least in the very small stage. It also helps keep algae to a minimum.

Get the biggest, most potent protein skimmer you can manage, and get advice on it. This is the sewer system of your tank, and you know what happens to a house where the sewer doesn't work adequately.

Get a notion what you want to keep before you buy your lighting.

If you have the option to put the sump/return pump in, say, a basement with the tank on the main floor, this quietens it down a lot. If your rooms line up right, it's not at all hard to do.

You don't say where you live: the biggest battle with these tanks is generally keeping them cool, not heating them, because of all the machinery [pumps] in the water system. If you live southerly, you may need to budget for a chiller. If you can use the basement, you're likely home free on that score, wherever you live.

Be skeptical when offered a filter of any kind. Filters are somewhat oversold in the hobby, and most live rock tanks only use them occasionally, relying mostly on their rock and their skimmers.

Plan your tank room in an area pretty well away from windows: sunlight hitting your tank is a potential problem for algae growth.

Also consider the strength and levelness of the floor you'll be putting it on: a big tank means big weight. Being near a load-bearing wall is a good thing. Out in the middle of a big wooden floor can be a problem.

Consider used equipment. Granted you're going to be a really large 'un, there are still bargains to be had in the selling forum, and you can do quite well for yourself by picking up a good item that is by no means worn out, just that it didn't work well for the former owner, or they up-sized. If you know what you're after, you can sometimes find it.

HTH. And best of luck in the equipment hunt.
 
Thanks Sk8r,

I am moving to a condo in Western NY, the floors are solid concrete so weight is no problem I don’t have a basement but more then enough space to build a room for the necessary equipment. I would love to have a free standing one like sidewinder770 not against a wall, then the question is how to I connect to the “equipment room”…TIA
 
Well I stumbled across this site awhile ago. Very interesting. At first it was like "ahh just mix salt with water, add fish, throw in rocks and neat looking stuff, then fix it as it breaks...??!!!" Hahaha, I guess just do a lot of reading, and then when you are done reading you will have a good list of what equipment is decent, crap or overpriced. Then you can research each piece of equipment.

Then you start thinking about water flow and overflows, and sumps, and fuges.....


Just read and enjoy it, and take your time.
 
Well, I just drilled a 1 1/2 inch hole and a 1 inch hole through the corner of my living room floor [corner tank] and dropped hose through to the basement ceiling. If you have that luxury, you can eliminate a lot of noise in your living area and confine the messy equipment [sump, skimmer, return pump, plus calcium reactor or kalk reactor] to a room you can shut the door on. If you can get plumbing in the sump room, even better---a drain to dispose of unwanted water---great convenience. If you want a midfloor system, and can build, you have several options: through the floor to a sump room; up above the tank plus below the tank [going with gravity helps]. I can tell you that a pump adequate to feed a 300g tank from the floor below is probably the largest Iwaki running full bore [put a cutoff in the line, just in case] and mounted [as Iwakis are] outside the sump, intaking through a bulkhead. The best way to describe the Iwaki sound is that of a small plane warming up. A door you can shut on that sound is a real boon.
My upstairs [living room] tank just gurgles quietly. Downstairs is much noisier.
A submerged pump, in the sump mounted underneath your tank stand, is going to be a bit more than a gurgle, [you also have fan noise from the light kit---mh bulbs, if you go mh, require fans to keep them cool]. So you will have gurgle and soft whirr of fans. Add the immediate racket of a freefall water entry [sump] and a pretty potent return pump, and you can see it can be noisy to have the sump with the tank. Now if you do a custom job, a little insulation in the stand could reduce that noise a bit. Mind, I had the whole business in my recent apartment, and it wasn't hard to share a room with. Just---a big tank requires a big pump, and a big sump has a lot of water moving. You have to consider noise and options.
Plus weekly water changes are easier to manage for a big tank [10% -or 30 gal] via a Rubbermaid tub in a sump room with a drain, vs trying to do the operation in the middle of your white-carpeted living room. It's real easy to combine, say, a laundry area with a sump room: both use drains, etc, and a concrete floor is a plus when dealing with lots of water. I have a floor drain, in addition to others, and it's a great comfort when I realize I may have left the ro/di water filter running just a little too long.

Did I mention autotopoff systems? A big tank may evaporate 3 gal of water a day, or more. My 30g sump has a float switch connected to a little maxijet pump in a 32g Rubbermaid trashcan full of ro/di-filtered water. It continually 'tops off' the sump to keep the salinity stable against all that evaporation [a gallon a day for me]. On its way to the tank it passes through a kalk reactor, which also delivers alkalinity and calcium support to the water system...a little convenience, reducing my need to put these things in manually. But another reason, especially for a center-floor tank, to want to have the works elsewhere. That tub isn't a thing of beauty.
 
Do your best not to impulse buy it all and get some lists going and come back here and let people critique it. It will really pay off and let you know if you are getting totally ripped off or not a good setup.

It will be more expensive, by a significant amount to go through a LFS, but if you don't mind the extra $$$, than it can be a good situation because many LFS can do a great job helping you get it set up and problem solving etc..

But if they do not know what they are doing, RC will be able to identify that and then I would look elsewhere if you want a LFS to be that involved...

I would say that large systems like that would not be the best first tank IMO. A good sized tank is, but really large systems need planning that goes beyond just equipment etc...


Just curious, how much are you thinking this will all cost? Ball park?
 
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I stopped keeping track, but for reference, that is much closer to what it took for me to setup my 80 gallon and put together everything needed to keep tanks in general. Livestock not included.
 
Yeh, I put it together myself. In that I assembled all the equipment, plumbing and lighting on a reef ready tank. there are ways to be even cheaper, but that requires actually building the tank, stand and even some equipment yourself, which I did not do.

And I purchased the equipment online for the cheapest I could find.

It is a reef tank.
 
FWIW, I will have about $2000 in my 45g tall by the time its all said and done. :) Plan on about $25 per gallon, give or take a few dollars. Especially if you're not DIYing some things.

Personally, I would recommend you start with a smaller system. Maybe 90 or 110 or something like that. Learn the ins and outs, do it cheaper, and then when you feel comfortable, do a 300 gallon. A 300 gallon tank is a lot of water to take care of and would be even more money to waste if it turns out you don't like the husbandry that goes along with the tank! :)

Whatever you choose, take your time. Patience is the number-one thing in my opinion that will help lead you to success with your tank. It is also the hardest thing to have while setting up your tank... :lol:

I spent about 6 months reading and researching before I started on my tank. Some people take more time, some people take less. There are a lot of "hot topics", so I would say read around on all sides of subjects and come to your own conclusion. :)

Good luck!

Brandon
 
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