Yes, another cyanobacteria topic...

CantImagineWhy

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Hello all. I have had a Biocube 29 set up since 5/13/15. This system was purchased used (already had fish, live rock, corals, inverts) and was set up at the seller's home for 2 years.

Recently, I upgraded the 2 Koralia nano 240's it came with to an MP10 with quietdrive. Shortly after, I began noticing red slime developing on a few of the rocks. Then it began overtaking the sand bed. Now my sand bed has a thick red slimy carpet on it and some of the rocks have long strands of it blowing around. I keep it off of my corals by brushing them gently with a soft bristled tooth brush. I did reading online, identified this as cyanobacteria, and followed advice from a top poster's thread on how to treat this. I did the lights out treatment first. I had the aquarium completely dark for 3 days. This seemed to work, until a few hours later the sand became spotted with the annoying red slime.

I've read that cyano exists in all systems, and only gets out of control when flow or bad lighting is an issue. My MP10 is set on reef crest mode at about 65-70%. It is on the right side of the aquarium in the center of the glass. My return output it at the surface to agitate the surface water to help oxygenate.

I still use the stock PC bulbs as I only have softies and they do well with them. I can't remember for the life of my how old the bulbs were (maybe 6-7 months), so I ordered new ones. They arrived today and I will replace them.

Today I also plan on getting in the tank with a small syphon and manually removing the cyano from the sand. This was my last resort because I already have a shallow sand bed and I don't want to lose any more sand.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why I am having such a hard time with this annoying bacteria?? Is my MP10 placement right? Anything else I can do to combat this aside from adding chemicals?
 
Oh, I also forgot to mention that I read that feeding frozen cubes of food without rinsing/straining them first can contribute to an outbreak. Well, I was making that mistake and dropping a whole cube of mysis in the tank and swishing it around to melt it. Since reading this, I have been melting the mysis in a cup of tank water and straining it with a small net before dropping it in the tank. I feed mysis 2-3 times a week, and the rest of the time, the fish and inverts get pelleted food.
 
Flow is really important and it would seem that you outbreak began when you changed to the mp10 for circulation. Try placing the mp10 in a different location or change the flow pattern.
 
I'd say that since you noticed it after you changed your powerheads, it would be a flow issue. I honestly have a hard time believing the small amounts of liquid that comes with the frozen mysis causes a real problem in our tanks.
 
What other flow pattern should I try? I have a horseshoe shaped rock formation and the cyano seems to stay isolated between the rockwork in the center. Where should I relocate the MP10 to?
 
I have a similar aquascape and two mp10's in my biocube. I have one on each side in the back down low so they blow through the rockwork and onto the sandbed. I have only 1 small dead spot right in the front on the left hand side.


Theses are older photos, but you get the idea.

Front


Right side


Left side


My flow goes through the middle of my "lagoon" and around to the other side. A circular pattern through my scape.
 
You need to fix the flow issue first and foremost.

A good dose of chemiclean, and a large water change siphoning out the dead cyno will clear it up.
 
I relocated my two koralias, one to my biocube 14 and one to my mixing station. I suppose I could pull the one out of my 14 (its just a FOWLR) and toss it back in the 29.

Homer, do you have any issues with your sand blowing around with them mounted that low? I have sugar sand that is very fine, and I've found if I turn mine up any more or move it further down, it blows that stuff everywhere.

I have a bit of chemiclean (it came with my recent biocube 14 set up) but I was reluctant to use it because its just a band aid.

I just got done with a 5 gallon water change and syphoned out as much of the cyano as I could, but its still mixed in with the sand. Will moving the power heads keep it from popping back up?
 
I have mine at 55% and I have a small divot where the right one is, but I also have aragonite sand and not super fine sand. Just move either the mp10(probably since its adjustable) down, or mount the koralia low. Just so it creates flow over the sand, and not so it blows it around.

Yes moving them will help stop it. What I was referring to is dosing the chemiclean, then per their instructions, a large water change siphoning out what you can.
 
Alright, I moved the mp10 down and added one of the koralias back in on the opposite side close to the front glass. I'll have to wait until the sand settles to see how its working.
 
Well the outbreak is still ridiculous. I can't seem to get the mp10 positioned right... Too high and it has no effect on the sand, too low and it blows it all away down to the glass. I am becoming very frustrated. I will be vacuuming out the clumps I'm able to get out again tonight... What else can I do? Would completely replacing the sand with something heavier\ not as fine help? I hate the way my tank looks right now.
 
It took a few repetitions of the lights out routine to get the cyano in my tank under control. Even then a few of the rocks continued to be difficult. I shaded the offending rocks from the light by placing objects on my screen top, but lit the rest of the tank normally. Eventually, the cyano went away and I haven't had an issue for a couple of months. Keep at it and eventually you'll be successful.
 
How often should I do the lights out method? I read once a month, but that seems too far apart. The outbreak has plenty of time to grow back in between treatments. I don't want to **** my corals off too much, but I seriously want this cyano gone!
 
Once a month on the lights out is pretty standard.

Honestly I think some of what you are experiencing is new tank syndrome. How much live rock do you have? It takes time to establish a balance in a new tank and some tanks take longer than others.
Frequent water changes, good lighting and good flow plus not overfeeding and being patient should go a long way towards clearing up the problem.
It almost certainly wont happen overnight (or even over 3 nights).
Good luck!
 
I know I had a mini cycle when I moved the tank from the previous home to mine, but could it really go through NTS? It has been running for almost 5 years- 2 at the first owner, 2 at the second and 7 months at my place.
 
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