Zeovit User , please come in

[machodik]

Dear All,

I have try to post my questions over this zeovit system at zeovit. Com but I have notice the response and reply was a bit slow, so I wish to post it here at RC and hope more expert of this system will provide response specially as I am a newbie and just been dosing zeovit for two months and three weeks time. Very new and just even not in nursery level as compare to all of you guys out there .

I have follow very carefully of all the dosing instruction and as of now I dose :

Zeostart 3 : 0.8 ml daily
Zeobak : 4 drops daily
Sponge power : 4 drops every other day

I have maintain No3 at 0.20 ppm and Po4 at 0.04 ppm

Last Sunday I do my first zeolites change 2/3 and retain 1/3 of the old zeolites and this Thursday I check no3 and po4 and to my surprise my No3 - 2.5 ppm
Po4 - 0.29 ppm

I recheck today :
no3 still at 2.5 ppm
Po4 - 0.36

I wonder why all these nutrient has went up after I change zeolites stone ? Is these means that all my live rocks does not being seeded with those beneficial bacteria of Zeovit ? Only those zeolites stones in the reactors ?

Now I increase the flows of my zeovit reactor to see if this can decrease much faster of my said nutrient .

Hope to hear from you guys !

Cheers,


MD

 

[machodik]

Anyone wish to help?

 

[Relativity]

The stones do very little to remove NH4 there more of just a place to grow bacteria on. I don't see a real point in changing them at all. You can get the same results without zeovit. Other tanks look just as good a zeovit tanks. People that have the money to spend thoudands of dollars on zeo have the money to spend even more on nice corals.

How much food are you feeding
Did anything die in the tank or go missing.
Zeotanks generally take a long time before they run ULNS.
You are just optimizing bacteria populations; and they work slowly to manage problems.

 

[machodik]

Thanks for reply .

As the instruction from Zeovit , zeolites stone need to change 2/3 every 2 months , I neither understand why to change because these stones are places where bacteria grows and if change it then we are removing all those cultures bacteria and need to renew the cultures for new one.

But I don't heard any zeovit user about this issue happened to me and I am really confuse .

The zeovit forum in zeovit . Com are so slow in their response and the moderator reply only once a day .

Hope more people using zeovit enlightened me.

I have try biopellet and it works great for reducing no3 and po4 with out changing the pellet but I stop because I don't know if there is any reason why I can not grow acros in my tank , try to find the right spot for it to kicks in

 

[Ryanaquarium]

Hi first of all make sure your reactor flow is set to 100 gph since you have a 110 gallons system right? Also why are you dosing so much Zeostart and zeobak ? I see you are not dosing zeofood???

Make sure reactor flow is on point also you need to change the media 6 weeks to be more effective and make sure to dose
Zeostart 0.6ml daily morning and night.
Zeobak every other day 4 drops
sponge powder every other day

 

[machodik]

Yes , initially I dose the same qty as you mentioned but I was instructed by zeovit . Forum to dose consecutively for 10 days and then return to the same old way (like what you mentioned) thereafter , this is what when I mentioned browning of my Acros but before I found out my nutrient that high.

I wonder if the flow of the reactor will affect much ? I know if too fast it will strip all the nutrient faster and that is what I did when k discover my no3 and po4 that high . Normally I run a little lower than 100gph.

 

[Ryanaquarium]

Yes , initially I dose the same qty as you mentioned but I was instructed by zeovit . Forum to dose consecutively for 10 days and then return to the same old way (like what you mentioned) thereafter , this is what when I mentioned browning of my Acros but before I found out my nutrient that high.

I wonder if the flow of the reactor will affect much ? I know if too fast it will strip all the nutrient faster and that is what I did when k discover my no3 and po4 that high . Normally I run a little lower than 100gph.

You need to check your K+ levels too and what you keep your ALK at Cal and MAG

 

[mike810]

Thanks for reply .

As the instruction from Zeovit , zeolites stone need to change 2/3 every 2 months , I neither understand why to change because these stones are places where bacteria grows and if change it then we are removing all those cultures bacteria and need to renew the cultures for new one.

But I don't heard any zeovit user about this issue happened to me and I am really confuse .

The zeovit forum in zeovit . Com are so slow in their response and the moderator reply only once a day .

Hope more people using zeovit enlightened me.

I have try biopellet and it works great for reducing no3 and po4 with out changing the pellet but I stop because I don't know if there is any reason why I can not grow acros in my tank , try to find the right spot for it to kicks in

The stones work to reduce no3 by absorbing ammonia before it is broken down into nitrates. So yes you need to change them every 6 weeks. When you change stones, dose daily for 14 days and then return back to twice a week.

If I read correctly, your tank is still very young. Get your tank stable where your parameters do not fluctuate before you try to keep sps. Do you have coralline algae growing in your tank yet?

no3 at 2.5 is no big deal.

 

[machodik]

Zeovit User , please come in

You need to check your K+ levels too and what you keep your ALK at Cal and MAG

Thanks Ryan for advise . Too difficult to find salifert K+ test kits here . Any advise on other alternative test kits for K+ that is more accurate ?

KH - 7.3 dkh
Ca - 460
Mg - 1360

 

[machodik]

Zeovit User , please come in

The stones work to reduce no3 by absorbing ammonia before it is broken down into nitrates. So yes you need to change them every 6 weeks. When you change stones, dose daily for 14 days and then return back to twice a week.



If I read correctly, your tank is still very young. Get your tank stable where your parameters do not fluctuate before you try to keep sps. Do you have coralline algae growing in your tank yet?



no3 at 2.5 is no big deal.

Thanks Mike,

If there is an award for MLRM (most lousy reefer of the month ) then I am sure I will be the most suitable candidate and for sure I will be the winner.

My tanks set up since 2011, I try so much different way , and just recently 2 month 3 weeks try with zeovit system , still failure to grow SPS.

Getting so frustrated and thinking of giving up . Spend so much on equipment and I think I am not talented to raise SPS in this tank.

Remaining acros stned ! don't know how difficult to raise acros . Although I am successful with fish and LPS both are well inside my tank.

I think I have imitate some release of nutrients when I scrap my overflow upper drain gate that was covered with calcified stuff, this may be the reason that my nutrient shot so high.

Well inexperienced reefer indeed

 

[marvelousone]

Zeovit takes time. Your tank is still very young. It can take up to a year to get stable. What is your total water volume. Depends on your dosing and flow rate. The size of your tank shows 110 gallons but how much rock did you use and do you have a sump. Why are you doing sponge power every other day instead everyday. Are you dosing Zeostart all at one time or do you break it up into twice a day. What is your flow rate for zeolites. To much can hurt your sps.

 

[machodik]

If deducting my live rocks , total volume will be around 360 liters ,yes I have sump and that is included in the said volume.

I does sponge power daily during the first month coarse but after that then it become every other day as instructed in zeovit . Com.

I am a bit at lost in my dosing because after consulting with Alexander of zeovit forum he advise me to change my dosing back for the first 10 days as stated above .

My zeovit reactor flows maintain at 360 to 400 liters per hour but I increase the flows after my nutrient shoot too high in my hope to bring down the level at the fastest way , I don't know if this is right or wrong .

I don't know if my one of the SPS got Stned because of the flows of zeovit reactor ? The high nutrients ? Or the gradually pulling up of my KH at a rate of 0.30 ppm daily due to my changing of ASW?

May be I am so mix up with so many issues in my tank and try to rule them out one by one.

Lastly , you said my tank is too young for zeovit , one year to wait ? So it means not until then that I am not advise grow SPS?

Cheers,

MD

 

[Relativity]

Did you use the 3 hour on three hours off cycle for the stones? If not that could have been the reason for the STN.
I would not up the flow in the reactor.
The absorbtion rate of ammonia has never even been tested with the stones.
If it were a large about you would think that Kz would release that information of there findings.
Much of zeovit only helps in a very limited way but with every component in place its a good system. blah blah blah

 

[marvelousone]

So total volume is 95 gallons. Set flow at 95gph which will fill 1/2 gallon in 37 seconds. Did you start your tank on zeovit from the beginning or was the tank already running. If you started from the beginning reactor runs 24/7 if you or converting a establish tank you run 3 on 3 off. Your dosing should be sponge power and zeostart daily. Zeobak dose every other day for 2 weeks after zeolite exchange then 3times a week until next exchange. Your tank is young meaning You are not at ulns and the bacteria is not established yet. That can take up to a year. When you change your stones or do not dose for a couple days and your no3 and po4 do not change then your tank is stable. Don't rush it. I know how you feel. I am on day 79(2months 2weeks) myself. Hang in there. Your hardy branching montiporas should be fine. That's what Kz tells you on 14 day cycle.

 

[marvelousone]

(Lastly , you said my tank is too young for zeovit , one year to wait ? So it means not until then that I am not advise grow SPS?)
Not to young for zeovit but is not establish on zeovit. Can take up to a 3months to a year to get stable,every tank is different. Go slow.

 

[machodik]

Zeovit User , please come in

Thanks for your very informative advise And happy our RC reefer really help each other.

My tank already established , it was set up since 2011 and I have try so many things in this tank, vinegar , vodka , sugar dosing but not workable to my intent low po4 and no3 but after I start using ecobak combo my reef octopus reactor I finally got a good straight stable low no3 at less than 0.2 ppm and po4 at 0.06 ppm. But corals hardly survived so I was advise by some friends to try zeovit and that make me use zeovit till now which is 2 months and 3 weeks.

I did not try the 3 hour on and 3 hours off, because they said I am already dosing zeovit and irrelevant to do so.

By transition from biopellet to zeovit dosing I was able to reduce my no3 back at less than or equal 0.20 ppm and my Po4 from 0.00 to 0.04 ppm not until last Saturday when I clean by scrapping my overflow calcified stuff that may be causing release of ammonia or stuff that buried down below and thus I got this high po4 and no3 level right now .

Last Night my no3 stay at 2.5 ppm and my po4 down to 0.25 from 0.36 the other night. I still keep dosing zeobak , zeostart and sponge power as instructed .

But I have one corals that Stned , I wonder if it was due to either the below ;

1) my sudden high po4 and no3?
2) or I change to use ASW that I water change 5 liters per day ? My ASW has KH of 8.6 dkh while my NSW dominate tank water has KH of 7.0 to 7.30. Last night after straight 4 days changing to ASW the tank KH is 7.60 dkh. I don't think a gradual increase of 0.30 to 0.60 dkh will cause this Stned? What you guys think?

Cheers,

MD

 

[mike810]

Thanks Ryan for advise . Too difficult to find salifert K+ test kits here . Any advise on other alternative test kits for K+ that is more accurate ?

KH - 7.3 dkh
Ca - 460
Mg - 1360

CA is a little high but you can let that slowly drop over time. As far as K+ test, I use salifert. Do you have any monti caps in your tank? If you do, this coral will be an indicator if you are potassium deficient. They will look washed out, almost gray like instead of the green. I only test for potassium if this coral looks dull. Side note, you should not need to replenish potassium if you're not running an ULNS and you are doing water changes regularly with a quality salt.

You need to be patient with zeovit, I have been running it for 1 year and still have not reached ULNS. My no3 is around 2.5 (salifert) and po4 is 0 (hanna checker).

Stop tinkering with your tank, keep the parameters stable and you will be able to grow sps. It took me a long time to be able to keep spa because my tank parameters were not stable.

Test your make up water to make sure the parameters are correct before you do a water change.

What kind of lighting are you using and have you tested the flow in the reactor? It is very important to have the correct flow. You should never exceed the recommended flow but it is okay to have a slightly slower flow.

 

[machodik]

Zeovit User , please come in

Thanks Mike,

So supportive reply specially with me almost feeling desperate when seeing acros browning or Rtned and die. Just take out 2 pity creature that is recent victims of this sadden high nutrient .

I have been looking for salifert potassium test kits here and they told me it is out of stocks , I think even when I travel last November to USA , I don't see either that anyone has it there. Sadly I don't have monti cap .

Yes, I know it's still too premature for me to say I am stable with zeovit since I just starting for almost 3 months now.

I have 2 kessil A 360 and 4 Ati t5 bulb (2 aquablue plus and 2 purple plus).

My zeovit reactor runs maximum at 250 liters per hour because I have a DIY reactor from my old Nitrate reactor with Sicce 2.0 pump. I add 1 liters KZ brand zeolites .

I have 3 pumps head : MP40, RW 25 and Seio 1000

I check the KH of my mixed salt at 8.6 dkh (Red sea blue bucket salt) I think I will change to tropic Marine as I heard its KH is 7.2 to 7.7 dkh. I wish to maintain low KH .

Cheers,


MD

 

[Jstn]

I had a similar po4 issue when trying zeovit, I used some gfo to get it down to recommended levels. After fighting stn and bouncing nutrients and pricey blue bottles i gave up on it.

 

[machodik]

Zeovit User , please come in

How much more blue bottles to consume before it really give me ULNS?

Last night I mixed new salt using my remaining Red Sea Blue bucket, I was surprised that the freshly mixed salt water holding in the container of my AWC gave me a no3 - 0.5 ppm and Po4 -0.09 ppm. I have a record of my RODI with po4 of 0.04 ppm but why I am getting No3 from a freshly mixed salt ? Will it be the AWC container previously holding the NSW causing this raise of nutrient ? If so , then should I have to wash my AWC holding container all over again before adding new mixed salt water or just let it be and let the zeovit bacteria to handle it when it enter my system?

Anyone has this experiences ?

Cheers,


MD