Zoa not happy

AndyT5

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Hello all, I picked up a small colony about 5 weeks ago. over the past two weeks it has not been opening up as well, and looking overall unhappy.


1. temp 78-80
2. PH 8.2
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0
Phosphate 0
Alk 10
Calcium 520
3. 1.024 salinity
4. Picked up from LFS about 5 weeks ago
5. No changes, had it mid tank, thought it might be getting too much light,
moved it once about 5" lower
6. Medium flow area, 8x54 tek light, 4 blue, 2 purple, 2 12k
7. No additives or dosing

I know calcium is pretty high, but its been trending downards, I dont have a magnesium test kit yet. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Sorry about the attatched photo's quality
 

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Water params look pretty good. Needd to check your mag. What kind of flow are they in? Have you dipped them? Have you noticed any pests especially at night. Try and dip them and leave them alone for awhile they are partially open maybe still getting used to your tank.
 
Theyre in medium flow, I have another larger colony, seem to be fine. I scoped them the last few nights looking for anything, but haven't seen anything ravaging them. I dipped them when I got them home, will do it again when I get home today. They opened well for the first few weeks, then started getting lame :(
 
Why are you dipping again?
Is there any infection?
I would think that most bugs would be dead and if there is infection there would be a need for dipping.
I would just leave them for a while and watch for predators or irritators at night.

Please get a Mg test kit and lower your Ca to around 380/400.
"Salinity" could be a little lower, like 1023.
You can change that slowly next time you do water changes.

I would change the 2 Purple Plus bulbs for 2 Blue Plus.
That's not too much light as long as you adapt the zoas to it carefully.
Tek is good!!

Grandis.
 
Grandis. I'm not questioning u. Why salt at 1.023? I'm at .026 with mostly zoas and palys. I'm just curious do u get better extension with a little liter gravity? I myself never tried that. So this is the reason for this question.
 
Grandis. I'm not questioning u. Why salt at 1.023? I'm at .026 with mostly zoas and palys. I'm just curious do u get better extension with a little liter gravity? I myself never tried that. So this is the reason for this question.

No problem.
No, nothing to do with extension of the polyps alone.
I'm talking about the whole prospect of keeping a healthy zoa system for long periods of time.
I've tried a range of S.G. through the years and the best of all was around 1.023 with ATO.
I aways had Palythoa and Zoanthus spp. in those systems I've tried.

I can got up to 1.024 without any problems, but I feel they do BEST at around 1.023.

Now, this subject is really touchy because it really doesn't make a huge difference alone. Specially in short periods of time. Only if you are crazy about it you could try to compare through the years and kinda figure out.

S.G. fluctuations in nature do occur. Sometimes a lot!!! Some areas where zoanthids are found have a tremendous range, with changes on the daily basis. Unfortunately the story is different in closed systems!!! Stability is the key, as most of us already know. It doesn't matter much what species are in the tank.

I can tell you that after about 18 years keeping different zoanthids in the same systems, generally speaking, I would prefer to have them at 1.023 than 1.026. That's for sure.

I just try to recommend the best I know to others. That's not a rule, please.
It is very important to keep in mind that S.G. alone isn't the way to look at it. Zoa keeping is focused on stability, maintenance schedule, best artificial reef light you can provide, right water movement, and optimal reef water parameters. Each species could have it's own preferences and that plays a lot!!! We always need to search and look for that common denominator for the right conditions in order to find what you could choose to keep what you want. Nutrition (coral foods) and additives are great, when at the right amount and with good quality.

I've also had systems in the past that didn't have ATO and daily fluctuations of S.G. was a normal thing. Again, keeping the full at 1.023 was the best. I'm sure that the fluctuation had up to less than S.G. 1.024 when there was less water in the system due to daily evaporation, before it was corrected. There was no major concerns too. Zoas were doing great!! I had MHs and NO actinics back then. I also had HO T5s at one point with no ATO for many years.

I don't mean to still the thread, but would be interesting to hear from others as well in regards to the subject, please.

Grandis.
 
Now howwould others deal with the lower salt? I also have a couple lps and sps too. What effect would it have on them? And im not running a ato, so maybe lowering salt would be a better thought in my twnk
 
I don't have hard corals. It is illegal to keep hard corals in Hawaii.
I do know that they should be fine with the 1.023/1.024. Not lower than that.
Again, that is not a big deal at all!!!

1.023 /1.024 should be a good range to favor the zoas.
If you want to try drop it gradually and see the results.

Grandis.
 
Been keeping an eye out for pests, none to be seen... Picking up mag test today, so we will see what happens. Going to have to pick up a different brand of salt as well. Using IO reef crystals, calcium is crazy high. Zoas are hanging in there, just not wanting to open more than about half way. Not quite sure what's going on. Also have sg down to 1.023 as of two days ago...
 
Update:

I have fed the colony some Oyster Feast twice since my last post, and they seem to be responding to it. I will continue to update, but as of now, 5-6 of the polyps that were in bad shape have opened up, nice and fluffy, not like they were in the picture in the beginning of this thread. No other parameters have changed, so I'll keep heading this route unless things take a turn.
 
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