1 1/2" clownfish 300gal of water?

achilles1

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The guy at the LFS said that I need a minimum of 300 gallons to keep a clownfish? Is that true?:rollface:

Before I start this thread I would like to thank the Reef Central the large tanks forum and all of the contributors as I have gathered a wealth of priceless knowledge over the years.

After years of drooling over all of the beautiful tanks here on RC, I am finally moving into a 300 gallon tank. If only I had a larger space! :( The display is 96"x30"x25" with a low iron front, 2-2" drains (to sump), 1-1 1/2" drain (to sink drain), and 2-1 1/2" returns.

I have been laying down the foundation for this tank for several years. I have gathered and built various types of equipment which will mostly be located in the garage and laundry room which share walls with the tank, added an additional 20A breaker, and did a ton of other things to make this transition from my smaller tanks as simple as possible. Believe it or not, it was a fight between two of my tangs that forced me over the edge to finally start this project.

First is a diagram of the plumbing and the idea behind it. Flexibility is very important to me so I wanted the plumbing as simple and flexible as possible. The sump is 100 gallons 72"x18"x17". I have not added the partitions into the sump yet as I want to do water testing first to get my exact drain down volumes so that I can maximize my refugium area.

The idea behind the valves is that I can direct water any direction that I choose. I plan to use my refuguim for quarantine and the valves allow me to bypass the refugium as needed..

I am using the 2" drains to feed my skimmer (via a wye) as well as for primary circulation in the refugium. The drains are oversized to keep flow velocity (noise) to a minimum, and avoid clogs. In the event of a clog either drain can handle the full of the return pump. One of the stand pipes in the overflows is shorter in order to bias maximum flow to the skimmer which required just over 600gph.

There is a second 1 1/2" drain in one of the overflows which will be attached to the drain of a utility sink in room behind the tank. It also serves as a refill via a 1" tap during water changes.

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The stand which is not finished is made of 2x8 horizontal and cross members and 2x6 vertical members. The top is 3/4"ply and the bottom and sides are 1/2"ply. The entire stand is sealed with expoxy and the bottom is water tight and in a flood condition will expell water via a 1" bulkhead out through the wall into the garage and out into the yard. That same 1" pipe also serves as a fresh air intake for the skimmer and possibly for the dursos when I get around to plumbing the top.

Ok, I'm tired of typing so feel free to ask any question or make suggestions for improvement. Then I will type more.
 
Remember, clowns get big very fast (up to six feet long in the wild!), and have been known to swallow panther groupers! Watch your hands when it comes time to feed! :lol:

Congrats on the new tank. I'm jealous!
 
:lol: OMG! are u serious? if that guy really told u that a clownfish needs a 300g, he has some major problems and should not b allowed anywhere near an aquarium!
that is not true! they will do fine in much smaller systems including nano setups, ( assuming water quality is good ).

Cheers.
 
I hope your joking about the clown question. I find it hard to belive you could build a tank of this scale.... but have no clue about clown fish. lol
 
Looking good!!! I agree with you on the great info available here at RC. This is my best source of new info as I set up my new tank. We're close to each other...If you show me yours...I'll show you mine!!! lol
 
who did you get your tank from

Waiting on my tank right now should be here end of he week.Same size as yours exactly!!!!! Except mine is going to be used as a room divider so just one huge overflow on one side

I ordered mine from glass cages.
 
I was under the impression they needed far more room than a measly 300g system, I thought 600 - 900 gallons per clown fish absolute minimum. If you keep one in your 300G then you are most irrisponsible and must not continue to keep these lovely creatures, please pack up all hardware and aquarium and send to me :-)
 
The guy at the fish store was a master upseller and I really wanted a fish!! lol. It is good to check on this thread and see that you guys got the joke!! :D I didn't want to name the thread "another 300 gallon setup" or "upgrade". I am actually upgrading and consolidating from my 125 and smaller tanks. I do hate to make my little clown suffer in such crammed quarters, but I ran out of wall!!

I've tried to plan for every disaster, but I probably missed something. So please join me on my journey into the land of the large tank. Let me know what you guys have done and things you think I can do to improve my design.

The tank came from omg dare I say it on RC........Glasscages. I think it is a beauty especially at the price point. The tank has a low iron front which should work out nicely. I also got a 100 gallon acrylic aquarium to use a a sump. I would not use it for a display as it is full of bubbles and just isn't as elegant as the higher priced tanks. As far the 300 goes, yes, it does have some messy silicone, but the thing is built like a tank (hey I made a pun) with bracing everywhere. The top and bottom are euro braced. Also, the black trim they put on sucks!! Maybe that is because when I ordered I told them I didn't want it. The person that assisted told me that it was no problem to remove the trim if I wanted, but they ship all of there tanks with it to keep them from getting scratched during shipping.

Customer service well... They had no time to hold my hand or chat about tanks all day like the LFS people, but that is fine as I knew what I wanted. I called them and ordered, no sweat. I made some custom changes and faxed a sketch. No problem. I called back a week before delivery and ordered more stuff. No problem. Picked up the tank following their instructions. No problems.


The cool thing is that one 300 gallon tank will save power. Soooo, it's really a saving over having the other tanks running. It will actually consume less power than my 125 alone. I have to remind myself of the story to justify this purchase. :)

mflamb,

Sefner isn't too far so sure we can swap notes. You actually PM'd me like a month ago on another thread. You have the same tank right?

KMB,

good luck

Here is a pic of the equipment side of things so far. The calsium reactor will probably sit on the little shelf above the skimmer and drip effluent into the skimmers return to the sump so that it can get a good mixing. The reactor will be fed by the return pump.



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got some pics of the tank?im curious to see how the tank looks.glasscages has been the cheapest ive found on large glass tanks.ive been considering buying one from there also.
 
I believe the sides are 1/2" and the bottom is 1". I've read varying stories about glass thickness, and believe that at 25" 1/2 is fine. If you look at the prices on any 30" high tank there is a big price jump because the glass gets thicker. I wanted 30" high, but I couldn't really justify spending $600 for 5" of height which is like 75 gallons. I would not spend $600 on a 75 gallon tank. With that said I decided to buy a wavebox with the $600 instead. Not to mention the fact that I can't reach the bottom or rear of the tank even at 25" tall easily. Everyone I know that has a 30" agrees that it looks great, but is a pain to clean. I had to get inside of the tank to do the overflow plumbing. That really isn't an option after everything is setup.

The top cross braces are a double layer of 3" and 4" wide glass I think. I will try to post some pics of the tank itself tonight.

Picking up 800 lbs of sand tomorrow
 
My LFS said that Clownfish are extremly rare and can grow up to 3' long. Good thing you got a big enough tank for one! :)
 
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This picture shows the overall tank from above. Excuse the dirty water I just finished taking a bath.:D

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These two pictures show the messy silicone that needs a little clean up. Not an issue. I can diy a little to save a couple grand for coral. The mess mostly occurs right under cross braces.

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This picture shows one of the cross braces with the rear black trim removed. Notice the silicone that needs to be removed because I took the trim off. Also notice the silicone bonding the two layers of the crossbrace together. I think that is to be expected.

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Now, this picture shows something I think is poor quality. Why on earth did they put the trim joint top dead center? The bottom was done in the corners and looks much nicer. Check out the gap.

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This picture shows how easily the top black trim can be pulled away. Like I said previously, maybe they didn't put much effort into the trim because I told them that I was going to remove it anyway. The trim has no structural value so why have it? If I put a hood on this little monster the top will be hidden anyway. Same with the bottom after I finish the stand.

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Lastly, this is a picture of the left overflow with the "tank drain." It will have a stand pipe kind of like the one sticking in the bulkhead in the picture that will control the exact amount of water that is drained during water changes.

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What is the weight of your tank

I am picking mine up tomorrow and trunking company was saying 1200 lbs for the tanks stand and canopy.

trying to get a tally of how many guys I will need to get to assist
 
The moving company I hired was supposed to send four guys. Of course they only sent two so we had to get creative. The tank alone was estimated to me 5-600 pounds alone. Everything else will be lighter than the tank of course.

My advice is the more guys the better. The longer the distance you try to "muscle it" the greater the risk of an accident. So, use dollies or whatever if you have them. I bought a pair from Harbor Freight for $30 and of course the movers had their own. If possible avoid putting the tank on anything down low or on the ground, because it will be a heck of a load to pick back up.

In case it helps this is how we moved mine and saved our backs. I backed my truck up to the lift gate of their moving truck and we slid the tank onto the lift gate I put my stand on 1000 lb dollies and rolled it over the gate and slid the tank onto the stand. After that we rolled the whole thing into the house and put it in place.
Work smarter, not harder.

I guess no one us really interested in this thread? Not a very exciting 300 gallon set up I guess.
 
I am an official member of the "clown fish police" :bum: but I'm under cover.

I demand you get a bigger tank!


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Nice setup, I'm following along.

Ed
 
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