12 hour skimming???

eddiesylas

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Is there any disadvantage to only skimming during the 12 hour period?

I currently have the skimmer on the same timer that runs my fuge lights which is opposite of my main tank light cycle.
 
On the bad side, the coral slime, biowarfare agents, fish waste, etc. generated while the lights are on (and the skimmer is off) have up to 12 hours in the tank to settle/attack corals/degrade water quality before they're removed by the skimmer.

On the good side, if you feed your fish and/or corals with the lights on and the skimmer off, less of the food ends up in the skimmer before being eaten. Of course, you can get the same effect by shutting the skimmer off for a few minutes when you feed.

Some people warn of the dangers of overskimming, saying that some vital elements can be scavenged from the water until they drop to harmful levels. Most people seem to feel that under-skimming, leaving too much garbage in the water, is a much larger problem for the average reefer than overskimming.
 
I was thinking of shutting my skimmer off during the lights out cycle. Logic being that corals feed at night. With the skimmer off, there will be more food consumed by your corals and less ending up in your skimmer. I dont think that much slime and warfare will occur in that space of time to hurt your corals. I have tried it and my corals are fine....Tank is thriving.
 
I was thinking of shutting my skimmer off during the lights out cycle. Logic being that corals feed at night. With the skimmer off, there will be more food consumed by your corals and less ending up in your skimmer.

Turning off your protein skimmer is not going to increase the availability of food in the tank. The blanket statement "corals feed at night" is very misleading. Corals will feed any time there is food in the water, whether it's daytime or nighttime.

It's true that many corals have evolved the behavior of increasing polyp extension at night in an effort to collect *more* food, but they have the ability to feed at any time of the day.

Increased polyp extension at night is simply an evolutionary response to the fact that corallivores (animals that eat corals) are mostly inactive at night, thus allowing corals to increase polyp extension, and collect more food, without such a high risk of predation.

I dont think that much slime and warfare will occur in that space of time to hurt your corals. I have tried it and my corals are fine....Tank is thriving.

First of all, "I [don't] think" is always a bad way to begin a statement. What facts or observations are you basing this on?

If you look an any of the hundreds of research papers that discuss the production DOC-lipids (mucus/slime) in scleractinian corals, you'll find that corals have peak mucus production when sunlight is the most intense.
Meaning that most slime production occurs during the daylight hours.

If you were to shut off your skimmer right as the lights turned off, then whatever slime has been produced and accumulated during the daylight hours, and hasn't been removed by the skimmer, will remain in your water until it either decomposes or is removed by the skimmer when it resumes operation.

Many of the chemicals used for allelopathy ("warfare") are contained within, or are produced along with, coral slime. Meaning that there is the potential that you could very well be negatively affecting your corals' growth and health.

Another important factor to consider is gas exchange. At night, zooxanthellae switch from photosynthesis (CO2 to O2) to the opposite process, respiration (O2 to CO2). This then puts more demand on your tank's dissolved oxygen concentration, which can potentially lead to hypoxic (low oxygen) water conditions if sufficient gas exchange is not maintained.

So, is it really a good idea to be turning off your skimmer, a vital source of gas exchange in most tanks, just when gas exchange becomes the most crucial for the well being of your animals? Probably not.

As for your individual case, isn't it possible that your corals could be "thriving" *despite* turning off your skimmer at night and not necessarily *because* you are?

Is there any disadvantage to only skimming during the 12 hour period?

I currently have the skimmer on the same timer that runs my fuge lights which is opposite of my main tank light cycle.

I would recommend running your skimmer 24/7. In addition to the disadvantages I've mentioned above, repeatedly turning your pump on and off can cause unnecessary wear and tear - potentially causing your skimmer's pump to fail prematurely.

If you're worried that it's pulling out the food that you add to your tank, then simply unplug it for a couple hours after you feed. Other than that, and maybe saving a couple dollars a month of electricity, I can't see much advantage to running it only 12 hours a day vs. 24.
 
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Way to technical bro..
Im no pro, I just posted my idea.....geeeze! lol

But I do appreciate the scientific response you gave....
 
What about skimmerless tanks do they not exist?

and how is everything successfully taken care of?

the only problem I can see with unplugging your skimmer is the sudden flush of dried out dieing/decomposing gunk ( if thats a word) over a 12 hour time period

BUT

look into something to experiment with that will duplicate the skimmer and leave the food in try a frag tank with a algae turf scrubber just to get use to weening yourself off the skimmer you will be pleased and then you can downgrade your skimmer or take it off line if your good enough at using a ATS OR go skimmerless/refugelss but this is more for a low fishload and the advanced

if you have a higher fishload stick with a weak skimmer/refuge/ATS and you will leave plenty of food in the tank while taking out inorganics
 
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I would recommend running your skimmer 24/7. In addition to the disadvantages I've mentioned above, repeatedly turning your pump on and off can cause unnecessary wear and tear - potentially causing your skimmer's pump to fail prematurely.

If you're worried that it's pulling out the food that you add to your tank, then simply unplug it for a couple hours after you feed. Other than that, and maybe saving a couple dollars a month of electricity, I can't see much advantage to running it only 12 hours a day vs. 24.

I think unplugging it for a couple of hours after you feed would cause the same "wear and tear" as turning off the skimmer for 12 hours during the day. the skimmer would being turned off than on once a day in either case.
 
Way to technical bro..
Im no pro, I just posted my idea.....geeeze! lol

But I do appreciate the scientific response you gave....

Here it is in plain english for you. lol

My Skimmer pulls out more junk at night than it does during the day. I would never turn it off. Mine is on 24/7. It's the heart of my low nutrient system.
 
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Here it is in plain english for you. lol

My Skimmer pulls out more junk at night than it does during the day. I would never turn it off. Mine is on 24/7. It's the heart of my low nutrient system.
I feel you bro.
I listened to Ken Feldman speak. He claims your skimmers aren't doing jack.
He says your skimmer actually does more for phosphates than it does for organics...He has done some serious research...

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature2
http://www.chem.psu.edu/faculty/kxf5
 
I've been running my skimmer about 3-4 days a week in my Sps system for over a month & there are no ill effects. I haven't really come up with a specific schedule yet. My only other form of export is weekly water changes.

The gas exchange idea is pointless. The majority of tanks have oxygen at saturation levels expecially high flow systems. Oxygen depletion is not going to happen.

There's nothing toxic that's going to show up in 12 hours to kill the corals. I'm willing to bet more people will run their skimmers on a regulated basis to cut electricity costs in the future. No one even knows what skimmers actually take out & since skimmers don't discriminate, they take out good things too. Even if we knew what skimmers took out, no one knows what corals want/need in the water............ you also can't group corals all in the same category based on needs, even if just talking about Sps. The only thing we know is they don't thrive in high "nutrients" & the word nutrients is about as general as it gets.

There's alot of variables involved in how long & when you may want your skimmer off ....................mainly your bioload & other export avenues in place.

Anyone that's interested in doing this should experiment & come up with a schedule that fits your needs.
 
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Anyone that's interested in doing this should experiment & come up with a schedule that fits your needs.

I agree. The experiments have been done. The nasty stuff that the skimmers collect are actually dead decaying microscopic life (This is why it stinks so bad) and trace elements from your tank.
Skimmers actually do more for your phosphate levels than the do for organics (TOC). He actually took some skimmate, dehydrated it and had it analyzed ...

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature2

I know someone that had there skimmer off for over a month and absolutely nothing negative happened. (and his tank is stocked with corals and fish)..
I dont think shutting it down for 12 hours at night will do anything to my fish and corals... The best thing you can do for your tank is to run carbon... A powerhead breaking up the tank water surface will oxygenate your tank all that it needs.
 
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I ran my tank with the skimmer on at night only for a few months when I first started up to reduce heat issues. It doesn't work as well. The biggest thing for me was that skimmers often take 5-6 hours to start pulling anything (at least my Octopus 150) and so instead of 12-12 split I was actually getting a 18-6 split.

I also removed the skimmer from my system a long time ago. I didn't observe any negative effects until around the 3 week mark. I suspect this will be the case for most reasonably healthy tanks. After that I began using a skimmer again.
 
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