180 Gallon Reef Tank build!

Itay! I've been calling you Italy this whole time! I'm sorry. It's funny how the mind see's what it wants to see sometimes. I never noticed there was no L in your name! My bad.

About your perfectionist comment, I'm a complete perfectionist as well. I've found, and I'm sure you've found this as well. Being a perfectionist in this hobby SUCKS! lol. Nothing will ever really be "perfect" but we can come close :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13216257#post13216257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thechad21
Itay! I've been calling you Italy this whole time! I'm sorry. It's funny how the mind see's what it wants to see sometimes. I never noticed there was no L in your name! My bad.

About your perfectionist comment, I'm a complete perfectionist as well. I've found, and I'm sure you've found this as well. Being a perfectionist in this hobby SUCKS! lol. Nothing will ever really be "perfect" but we can come close :D

No worries Chad!

You're absolutely right. Being a perfectionist sure adds complexity to reefkeeping! YIKES! I feel your pain brother! :eek2:
 
Small update

Small update

Hey there -

Anyone had good experience with saltwater catfish? :D :D

Snapped this screen shot off my computer while watching the webcam earlier. Our cats spend a good amount of time trying to communicate and "reach out" to the fish.

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The BTA continues to hide deep inside the rock and I'm starting to think it will require manual intervention to remove it from where it is.

The clown fish are doing well, but spend most day in the upper left corner of the tank... I feel like sticking my head in the water and yelling "HELLO - I got a 6ft aquarium - swim around a bit more!" :)

I'm having a little bit of trouble getting them to eat. They are very interested in pellets and eat them readily, but the tang and rabbit fish are so much more aggressive with food that even when I feed on opposite ends of the tank the rabbit-pig-fish manages to take their pellets away.

I also find that the clownfish won't chase their food. They only eat what falls in their immediate area, and even then, only what's right in front of them. A bit frustrating.


Here are a couple of pictures from the last day or so:

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I love that last photo of the clown fish!
 
hey Itay-i just browsed though the beginning of your tank and want to say congrats! It looks great and your livestock looks really happy. Also, this whole process is a great glimpse of what I can expect when I begin to set up my reef (I'm researching stuff to set up a 180g FOWLR). Seeing the whole process from the beginning to now just makes me more excited to set up my tank in the semi-near future.
 
Hey Itay, glad to hear the tang is doing well. The clowns look very cool, the blacks are my favorites by far! For some reason not all clowns will host the anemone, I dont mean species but the individual fish. Its not helping that your anemone is hiding either! Hopefully when it comes out and finds a spot to be happy in, the clowns will check it out and stay a while! :) I had a RBT that moved all over the place and drove me and the maroon clown nutz!!! Your corals are looking great, the frog spawn is gonna grown nice a big and look VERY cool! The clowns may even host that.
I'm thinking about a Nikon D40, what are your thought about that for my first digital slr? Any other camera you'd recommend? I need to keep within a budget similar to what the D40 cost. I can go a little higher if need be.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13227279#post13227279 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fender4string
hey Itay-i just browsed though the beginning of your tank and want to say congrats! It looks great and your livestock looks really happy. Also, this whole process is a great glimpse of what I can expect when I begin to set up my reef (I'm researching stuff to set up a 180g FOWLR). Seeing the whole process from the beginning to now just makes me more excited to set up my tank in the semi-near future.

Fender4string - thanks for taking the time to read through my thread and experience thus far, and thank you for the comments. I'm still learning - but the process never ends!

That's one of the beauties of the Internet and a great benefit of this great community. We all are collectively sharing, learning and enhancing the art of reef/aquarium keeping.

Hope to see you on here sharing and updating the progress of your build once you get going!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13233615#post13233615 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hulley
Hey Itay, glad to hear the tang is doing well. The clowns look very cool, the blacks are my favorites by far! For some reason not all clowns will host the anemone, I dont mean species but the individual fish. Its not helping that your anemone is hiding either! Hopefully when it comes out and finds a spot to be happy in, the clowns will check it out and stay a while! :) I had a RBT that moved all over the place and drove me and the maroon clown nutz!!! Your corals are looking great, the frog spawn is gonna grown nice a big and look VERY cool! The clowns may even host that.
I'm thinking about a Nikon D40, what are your thought about that for my first digital slr? Any other camera you'd recommend? I need to keep within a budget similar to what the D40 cost. I can go a little higher if need be.

Hey there Hulley!

Thanks - I'm sorry I kinda freaked out but didn't know what to make of those white marks. They are long gone and the tang is looking better and better each day. His colors are getting deeper and he's more and more confident. For some reason he was very shy. I think introducing more fish to the aquarium has made him much more comfortable and outgoing. The tomini and rabbit fish are inseparable now. They are together all day. it's pretty cool to watch.

I am really happy with my coral growth as well. I think the change to 20,000 K bulbs made the montis kick it into high gear. The rest are too new to judge, but I can definitely tell the acropora is happy as well. The frogspawn is just awesome looking. I can't wait for it to grow some more.

No comments on the anemone - I just hope it gets happy and comfortable and decided to come out. For now I'm going to get some mysis shrimp and try to 'turkeybaste' some into the area in which its hiding.

I can't believe the algae is ALL gone. Seriously... It got SO bad at one point, and not even 2 weeks later, I can only find algae in the overflows and in the sump. This is what it got to look like:

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Just seeing those pictures makes me cringe!! But alas! No more algae!

I'm now feeding algae sheets and pellets!


OK.. the camera answer is coming in a different post.

Best,
 
Itay,
I've spent the last hour reading your thread and reminiscing(sp?) about my 180 bowfront build. It's amazing how much your experiences were like mine. I remember having the diatom and MEGA- hair algae bloom that covered EVERYTHING! My tank looked like a sea grass tank instead of a reef. Once it used up all the available nutrients it slowly disappeared with the help of a yellow tang and Queen angel. But i remember how much it frustrated me. But in the end it was all worth the wait, isn't it?
Well, i just wanted to add my .02. You have a beautiful tank, looking forward to seeing it's progress!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13233615#post13233615 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hulley

I'm thinking about a Nikon D40, what are your thought about that for my first digital slr? Any other camera you'd recommend? I need to keep within a budget similar to what the D40 cost. I can go a little higher if need be.


Hulley - This topic is probably as debated and discussed as skimmer brands, wet vs. dry, and every other highly personal and specific topics. The Nikon vs. Canon battle, and everything in between can be quite confusing while shopping for a new camera, but the good news is that with the advance in technology and lower and lower prices on CCDs, not only do Canon and Nikon have great products, but there are a host of other manufacturers producing great entry level DSLRs, but I am not one who would recommend against a Canon or Nikon.

In my personal experience, and I'm slightly biased because I've been a Canon user for much longer, both are fantastic, and like anything you need to get comfortable with them, learn their ins and outs and have the right lens to and photography principles in order to produce equally stunning photographs.

Being that you aren't already a DSLR owner, you could go either way. One factor many people consider when going into DSLRs is whether they own lens from their previous cameras that can be used in their new ones. If that's not a factor for you, and the budget is right, I would say go for that camera.

Now, if you can stretch your budget slightly, I would recommend, whether Nikon or Canon that you buy the most camera you can afford, AND remember to factor into the price your media/storage - memory cards have gotten SO MUCH CHEAPER than they used to be, but I would recommend getting a 4GB card, with a high transfer speed (x133 or similar) which will make a big difference when shooting.

Many stores/websites will sell you lens kits with the cameras. Those lens, like every multipurpose 'thing' do their job in an acceptable manner, but aren't specialized pieces of equipment. I would strongly recommend you go with at least 2 lens. 1 being your multipurpose zoom lens, and 1 macro lens which will make a world of difference for your aquarium photography.

Top quality/feature lens can cost 3 to 4 times the price of your camera, but there are a lot of different options. Sigma & Tamron make 'ok' lens that are cheaper than the Nikon and Canon lens, but with a lower price mark comes lower grade and to an obsessive perfectionist like myself... that is just unacceptable.

Lastly, the Nikon are looking at is 6.3 megapixels and is a bit dated (released late 2006 if I recall). I would strongly encourage to stretch a bit and go for slightly newer model (better features, and bigger sensor), which will allow you to work more with your images (cropping, enhancements, etc).

My personal recommendation (with its bias) is for you to get a
Canon Rebel XSi. Its a 12.2 Megapixel camera, which is a pretty new model, and sells for approx. $700 with a great lens.

I'm not sure if its allowed or not to give store names, and recommendations in the Reef Central forums, so if you want more info, send me a PM and we'll take it from there.

I'm recommending:

Canon Digital Rebel XSi SLR Camera Body Kit, 12.2 Megapixels, Black with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 Image Stabilizer Lens

... and this Macro lens:

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro Auto Focus Lens

The Macro lens is around $499


You could wait with the macro lens, and take close ups with your 18-55, but its not the same. You'll end up cropping your pictures, and lose details and crispness rather than having the MONSTER macro lens, but again, it can wait. The advantage of that 100mm lens, and having 12.2 megapixels is that the macro lens, while a fixed 100mm and not a zoom lens, produces beautiful mid/long range pictures as well.

Oh... one last thing... and I'm sorry if this doesn't sound right... I wouldn't recommend getting a DSR to anyone who intends to use it as a point and shoot. Regardless of your current level of photography knowledge, you must at least be willing, able and wanting to learn and explore and work with managing the exposure time and aperture, and shooting in raw mode and doing post processing... but I'll stop here, otherwise this will be even longer.

Let me know if you have any questions, and I also invite others to give their opinion.

Thanks!
Note to all: if you read this whole thing, you deserve a gold medal!! :bigeyes:
 
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Itay, I just went thru this entire thread and really enjoyed it. I am considering upgrading to a 180 myself in the future. Your tank looks awesome. I wish I could get my pics to look as good as yours. I do have a question for you. If you have time could you do some form of sketch on your plumbing? Also did you consider running outputs from your closed loop to the top of the tank?

Thanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13234712#post13234712 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cnaegler
Itay,
I've spent the last hour reading your thread and reminiscing(sp?) about my 180 bowfront build. It's amazing how much your experiences were like mine. I remember having the diatom and MEGA- hair algae bloom that covered EVERYTHING! My tank looked like a sea grass tank instead of a reef. Once it used up all the available nutrients it slowly disappeared with the help of a yellow tang and Queen angel. But i remember how much it frustrated me. But in the end it was all worth the wait, isn't it?
Well, i just wanted to add my .02. You have a beautiful tank, looking forward to seeing it's progress!

Craig - thanks for your comments and for taking an hour of your time to go through my thread.

Amazing how bad that algae can get. Hopefully having documented this journey, others will know that it can be turned around, and quite rapidly! Amazing what 'cycling' really entails. Once the nutrients are gone and fish/inverts eat up what's there algae has no chance. I also got some help from a phosphate blocker I'm running in my carbon filter - but here is just no way to imagine looking at my tank right now that not 3 weeks ago you could barely see any sand and rocks!

Well worth it! :rollface:

Thanks for stopping by, and please come back!

Hey, any pics of your 180 anywhere online?

Thanks!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13235376#post13235376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thebradybunch
Itay, I just went thru this entire thread and really enjoyed it. I am considering upgrading to a 180 myself in the future. Your tank looks awesome. I wish I could get my pics to look as good as yours. I do have a question for you. If you have time could you do some form of sketch on your plumbing? Also did you consider running outputs from your closed loop to the top of the tank?

Thanks

Hey there -

I'm working on a sketch of my plumbing for you and will post it here later.

I think I will post 2 images, one for the closed loop and one for the overflows. It would be too confusing otherwise.

Thanks for the complement on the pictures. Photography is a big hobby of mine. I love taking photos and love editing/post processing them. There are great books and online materials you could use to enhance your photos. Do you have a good camera you're using, and you just not happy with the results? Let me know - I'd be more than happy to help you if you want.

As far as outputs from the closed loop... I didn't consider that. I had the tank custom drilled in the front for the closed loop outputs. I am considering, though, taking the overflow returns and modifying them a bit to create a bit more flow - its an early thought and I'm not sure I'll go through with it, as I am getting pretty good water movement as is.

Look for my post with the plumbing sketches later tonight.

Thanks for reading, thanks for your comments, and look forward to seeing your tank on ReefCentral in the near future!
 
Here was my tank in Jan.08


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You can see what's left of my hair algae.


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And this is when the HA was almost gone! I'll try to post updated pics later if you like.
 
Alright - this is specially for TheBradyBunch.

Took me quite a bit more effort than I anticipated, and I don't think it looks very good. Opted for a Photoshop/Illustrator hybrid over any 3D or CAD software... so here it is.

This is all the plumbing together. (Disaster):

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This is just the Overflow plumbing:

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This is just the Closed Loop plumbing:

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And finally some pictures from the build:

Closed loop coming together:

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All Plumbing done:

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I have a headache :D
 
Thanks Itay. This is a big help. Sorry it took so long to put together As far as the camera goes I have a Canon XT digital SLR. Part of my problem with taking pictures is I don't spend enough time with it, When I think I am getting good with it I put it up and don't pick it up for a while. Also as far as tank pictures go I have a bowfront that makes it difficult to get a good pic at least for me thru the curved glass.

Thanks again
Brady
 
Thanks Itay for the info. I was actually leaning towards the Canon XSi, I liked the "live view" screen, but I didnt think I needed the 12.2 megapixels! If the XSi is a much better body than I'd rather have that for just a little more money now than pay more for a nicer camera later. I'm not brand loyal at the moment, I'm starting out with nothing! :) I think I'll go for the Canon! :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13239731#post13239731 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Itaysworld
Alright - this is specially for TheBradyBunch.

Took me quite a bit more effort than I anticipated, and I don't think it looks very good. Opted for a Photoshop/Illustrator hybrid over any 3D or CAD software... so here it is.

This is all the plumbing together. (Disaster):

AllPlumbing.jpg






This is just the Overflow plumbing:

overflowplumbing.jpg




This is just the Closed Loop plumbing:

ClosedLoopPlumbing.jpg





And finally some pictures from the build:

Closed loop coming together:

IMG_2256.jpg


IMG_2263.jpg


IMG_2261.jpg


IMG_2259.jpg



All Plumbing done:

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I have a headache :D


man that looks crazy complicated lol
 
I got to spend some more time looking at your design. Your design is almost exactly like what I was thinking of doing other than 2 items.

1)I was going to put the pump to feed the skimmer in the section of the sump with the overflow.

2)I was planning on running 2 outputs from the 4 way to the front of the rock and split them with a "Y"and run the other 2 to each side of the tank and have flow from each side.

Does this make sense and would it work ok?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13240330#post13240330 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thebradybunch
Thanks Itay. This is a big help. Sorry it took so long to put together As far as the camera goes I have a Canon XT digital SLR. Part of my problem with taking pictures is I don't spend enough time with it, When I think I am getting good with it I put it up and don't pick it up for a while. Also as far as tank pictures go I have a bowfront that makes it difficult to get a good pic at least for me thru the curved glass.

Thanks again
Brady

Brady - that's actually a pretty good camera. I have the original Digital Rebel, and while I'd like to upgrade to a better/newer camera, I've decided I'm going to invest in lens for the time being, and not get a new camera for now. I'm going to get the macro lens soon! The rest of my disposable income is going into the tank!:D :D

Oh - I bet taking pictures in a bow front is very hard. I don't even know if doable... perhaps if your sides are accessible/visible you can take some from there, but it's not the same.

I spend countless hours taking photos. I love it!

Regards,
 
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