180 gallon upgrade (skimmerless)

sltloser

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Hey all, I've been on reef central for a few years now and it's finally time for the big upgrade. I currently have a 75 gallon skimmerless tank. This tank is filtered by a 20 gallon refugium that has 2 inches of livesand, about 15 lb of liverock, and chetomorphia algae. This has worked wonderfully for me for the past few years and my corals have been able to thrive. I will carry this over to my new 180 gallon tank. (There is a lack of hard corals in the tank now because I did a semester of college in Hawaii and they were given to a few friends to watch over while I was gone.) This is the most recent shot i have, one of my bulbs went out so i had to put an old one in, that's why there's such a color difference.

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I'm sure I'll be criticized by many but I don't believe in the use of skimmers, UV sterilizers, filter socks etc. IMO all of these products take away food corals can use. The size of food a coral eats is very small so by using skimmers and filter socks you're just taking out the food. IMO using a natural filtration method like the ocean is able to do works the best.
The inspiration for my new 180 has come from the Great Barrier Reef. I'm going to try and recreate (as best I can) the reefs from Lizard Island. The part of the reef I'm going to try and recreate is the reef flats, located from 5-25 feet. I'm going to try and keep all corals found around this island. A few of the fish will be from around the reef, but most of them will be ones found all over the Great Barrier Reef. Here's a link to where I found much of my information if anyone is interested.
About the island- http://www.pcrf.org/science/Lizard_Island/fishid.html
Fish on the GBR- http://fish.mongabay.com/data/ecosystems/Saltwater Great Barrier Reef.htm
The new tank will be free standing in my living room against a wall, and will have 1 overflow. The filtration for this tank will be supplied by a 75 gallon refugium (my old 75) which will have a rubble area, bubble chamber, sea grass bed, and an ATS (algae turf scrubber). The lighting for the fuge will be supplied by a 36" Coralife CF fixture with 2x 10k bulbs. Here's something I drew up.

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Equipment list:

Tank
1) 180 gallon glass tank (Black)
2) Stand and canopy (Black)
3) 75 gallon refugium
Lighting:
1) 3x Lumenarc (DE)
2) 3x Blueline 250w Ballasts
3) 2x T5
4) 2x T5 actinic bulbs
5) 3x 10k XM
Pumps:
1) Return Pump Marineland 5500 (1,384 GPH)
2) 2xTunze 6105
3) 3x Tunze 6045
4) 2x Maxi Jet w/ magnet
Temp. controller
1) 2x 300 watt marineland stealth heaters
2) Aqua controller Jr.
3) DC4 and DC8
4) Temperature probe
Water purification
1) 20 or 30 gallon reservoir (acrylic tank)
2) 5 canister purification (10 micron, 5 micron, 1 micron, .5 micron carbon, and DI)
3) ATO (From Bulk Reef Supply)
Live Rock and Sand
1) 200lb. Live Rock
2) 120lb. Ocean Direct Oolite
3) 200lb. Ocean Direct Sand
Plumbing
1) ¾ and 1" pipe
2) ¾ and 1" 90's or 45's
3) ¾ and 1" True union ball valve
4) ¾ Union
5) ¾ adapter for return pump
6) ¾ and 1" bulkheads
7) Overflow kit
Misc.:
1) Acrylic
2) Algae free hammerhead
3) Refractometer
4) Silicone
5) Moon lights
6) Salt
7) TDS Meter

Just got an order in from bulk reef, and here's everything i have so far.

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Feel free to ask any questions, more updates will come as stuff starts to come in :)
 
Interesting build. Could you post your water change schedule and general tank maintainance for your 75? I talked to the boss at PetsRInn in Fargo and he told me about his 180 that is set up in a similar manner. It would be great to learn all I can about this method.

Thanks...Mark
 
New update today got a little package in :)

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A few filters for my Water purification unit. I'm not using a typical RO unit, i don't like the amount of water that it wastes. I was using a 2 stage seachem RO unit at first and the TDS was about 45. This new system i'm using has a TDS of 25. I got this idea from Eric Borneman on the marindepot forums, and it's working well. I think after it breaks in a little the TDS will go down even more.
From left to right in the picture, 10, 5, and 1 micron sediment filter, then a .5 micron carbon block, and lastly a refilable DI cartridge

<a href="http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/sltloser/?action=view&current=IMG_0296.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/sltloser/IMG_0296.jpg" border="0" alt="DI unit 2"></a>
 
leslie- can you see the new pictures?? if not i'll try and post them differently

Hozer- thank you very much, it's been running skimmerless for about 3 years and i love it

Mcfish- I work at pets r inn, and helped shaun set up his 180. About my 75, i haven't done a water change in about 2yrs., all i have to do is add topoff water. I feed daily with mysis/brine shrimp, and feed about twice a week with a blended coral food that is homemade. The nitrates and phosphates have been at 0 the whole time. The filtration in the 75 is supplied by liverock/livesand/cheto that's in the 20 gallon refugium. The ATS will work much better if you're looking at trying to implement a method like this :). If i'd known about them a few years ago i defenetly would of used it haha.

I'll post a fish/coral list in a few days, still trying to figure out exactly what i want. Till then happy reefing all!
 
That looks like a schedule I could get used to.

Is the ATS part of your fuge the slanted sheet draining into your pump? If so is it removable? When using a system like this, do you use a smaller pump than normal to assure a slower flow over the algae?

Mark
 
Agreed, it's a nice schedule. When i think of water changes i think of the saying "why try to fix something that isn't broken?" As long as nitrates and phosphates are at zero and the coral is healthy. O silly me, from left to right...small rubble and intake from tank, this flows through a bubble trap, then into the DSB with seagrass, and from there over a slanted piece of acrylic (which i am going to silicone on a piece of plastic which is made of small squares. I can't really explain it, but i should have pictures up next week when the sump is done) The pice of acrylic isn't removable on mine, i will just clean the screen in tank, and use a net to get out the large pieces of algae. The detritus and other small particles (such as copepod eggs, and smaller fauna) will go back into the tank for the corals to eat.
As far as flow goes, i don't think it really matters the algae should be able to take over at any flow rate. I would stay away from too slow of flow personally but i don't think you can get flow that's too fast.

Best Regards,
Brady
 
Well tonight was the end of my first reef tank......

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The fish, corals, and liverock all went to good homes. I've opted to keep the sandbed since it's about 5 years old and the life in it is invaluable when stocking the new tank, i also put the cheto from the old fuge with it. I made a makeshift tank for now.

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The 75 will be turned into the new refugium tomorrow night i'll make sure to get some pictures of it. Have a good one all!
 
Thanks for the fish buddy. Everyone is getting along just fine. :)

You know one day you will want them back. You will just have to take a swim and catch em!!
 
Haha that's what it would take to get them out of your tank :P.

Some good news is that the tank might be here this wednesday! If so i'll have it all plumbed up wednesday night :bounce3:

Well i was able to finish the fuge this weekend. 2 tubes of silicone and a few hours later and WA LA! (The piece of acrylic under the ATS is to make sure that the sheet of acrylic doesn't bow under the pressure of the sand, there should be about 120lb.)

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Here's the ATS with mesh screen that i got at Hobby Lobby in the sewing section. The ats dimensions are 17x10

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And tape measure for mesh size comparisin. Sorry if it's blurry

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Hope you enjoy, and have a good one!
 
Well the tank ended up coming on wednesday......but it was the wrong tank!! I need one with only 1 overflow and they sent one with two, they also sent the wrong stand! I did get a plesent supprise on friday, my 55 gallon resivoir tank ended up coming in. I got it all plumbed up, here's some pictures.

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Nice work... interested in seeing how this progresses. I have a 46 bowfront with a 20g sump/fuge. I run skimmerless and 0 waterchanges too.

So far so good!
 
Thanks for the kind words all, it's driving me crazy not having a tank to look at! I really hope it comes in this week so i can plumb it then get it all filled up. I do have a possible fish list :)

Twinspot Bristletooth-Ctenochaetus binotatus
6 Line Wrasse (Pair)- Pseudocheilinus hexataenia
Square Spot or Lyrtail Anthias- pseudanthias pleurotaenia/Pseudanthias squamipinnis
Purple Firefish- Nemateleotris decora
Pink Skunk Clown (Pair)- Amphiprion perideraion
Citrus Goby (Pair)- Gobiodon citrinus
Twin Spot Goby (Pair)- Signigobius biocellatus
Possum Wrasse- Wetmorella nigropinnata
Yaeyama Blenny- Ecsenius stictus
Black Spot Angel (Pair)- Genicanthus melanospilos
Midas Blenny- Ecsenius midas
 
Well had some complications, the tank and canopy will be here next wednesday. BUT i did get my stand!! :dance: I'm going to epoxy the inside of the stand so its water proof. I'm also going to put a 2x4 or something under the stand to hang the fuge lights from, will post pictures when i get it done.

Here's the stand

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Stand from the couch

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75 under the stand (right side)

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Left side of stand with storage space

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I was able to get the stand finished this weekend. I added bracing under the stand, hung the light for the fuge, and epoxied the stand. I also picked up my ACjr., DC8, and Tunze 6105

First i placed 2x4's under the stand so that the bottom of the stand won't slump with the weight of the fuge.
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Then i placed 1x2's to the back of the stand, and expoxied it so any spilled water will stay in the stand, and not leak onto the carpet.
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I kept the 2x4's under the stand by using 2 screws in the fron and 2 in the back.
Now you see it...........
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Now you don't!
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After that I put a 1x6 board lengthwise in the stand so i was able to hang the fuge light
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After that i put the fuge underneath, and hung the lighting
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I used eyelets, and chains to hang the fixture
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Here's the tunze, ACjr., and DC8
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