1g Desk Tank @ Work...Pics!

[Jadams]

no worries...thanks for your time and input exigency. I appreciate your help! I will see what i can conjure up for an ATO. I will post more pics when i do.

PS, your maxima is awesome!

 

[exigency]

no problem, anything to help a fellow reefer from making any mistakes. it shouldn't be too hard to ghetto-rig the ATO i've got. thanks for the comments!

 

[Kogo]

Clowns dont jump...but thanks for the input

so the clown that ended up on my carpet was pushed?

i knew that tang was evil! LOL

 

[ionredline0260]

I love how people on the freakin internet try to control your freakin life. I might agree that a clown in a 1 gallon is a bit much, but if it's happy and alive who cares? it's your tank, so do what you want. My only fear is that a co-worker looks at it and thinks they can do that same with no experience when infact I doubt they could.

 

[reefman13]

Well he'll be around to correct them. Don't think we need to worry about that ionredline

Keep us posted on what happens.

 

[pledosophy]

but no fish will fit in a gallon tank,

Dwarf seahorse. There's an exception to everything. You could have a pair of barbaganti in a shot glass if you could culture the food.

Actually, over weekends it will be impossible to control the evaporation

Strong words, actually it's not that hard.

Just because someone has different experiences then you, does not make them ignorant. In this situation the one who is blaring of ignorance is yourself. If you don't understand then ask so people can help you, but name calling those who know more really has no place on forums like this.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9795477#post9795477 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by exigency
i thought any fish with a swim bladder could potentially jump..but anyways,

Sorry but that is not accurate. Many fish do not have the ability to jump.

PLEASE DONT SEND THE "FISH POLICE"

Good thing you didn't tell them about the yellow tang and hammerhead you just picked up for that tank. :lol:

HAHAHAA...I dont understand why your so upset over this. Ive had a clown very happy with his tank, and never had a problem.

Haters, pure and simple, they dance we boogie.

IMO I would try to limit the evaporation by controlling the photoperiod on your days off as well as getting an acrylic top for the sysem to cover it. Tap's Plastics, or Jim's Plastics, both close to your work can custom cut you a piece for probably under $10. Taps cut the three pieces for my custom overflow box for me. Ended up costing me $12 for the three pieces and the custom cuts. JME.

The corals your speaking of will do fine with a couple days off of light. You will need to use some chemical form of pH control IMO, but test diligently and time will tell. Might I suggest the Seachem pH buffer. In a tank that size the $15 dollar bottle should last you at least a year :lol:

Taking the photoperiod off for the weekends and covering the tanks will greatly reduce the amount of evaporation in the tank. JME. Because of the filtration and the need for oxygen exchange you will not be able to have the system copletely covered, but it should still be cool.

Rigging an RODI top off unit shouldn't be that hard. A drip system sounds cool if you can time it perfectly. Start it on monday, put a towel around the tank monday night, by Friday you should have it down. You might even be able to use one of those fish acclimator things they sell to get the timing down. It is possible to use a water bottle with an airline siliconed in to the lid. Just hang the bottle upsidedown and all is well. Have done it myself for dosing and DIY filters. Might be better then a top off 5x the size of your tank on your desk at work :lol:

People, this is RC. One of the largest reef forums in the world. Is the nano forum here really not capable with finding a may to make this system automated over a weekend. Really?

 

[Slakker]

*sigh* Clowns are known to jump...I don't know what you've been reading, but plenty of people have come home to find their Ocellaris dried up in the carpet.
What exactly would make a fish physically incapable of jumping, anyways? Seems that any fish could swim fast enough upwards to break the surface if it had a reason to...like if it was trying to escape from an unsuitable environment, perhaps.

By the way, sorry that all the "haters" are trying to ensure that an innocent creature is provided with the proper accommodations needed to be healthy and happy. It may be "just a fish," but I think people would be pretty upset if you said you were going to confine your dog to a copy paper box at the office for its entire life. Your response would obviously be "No, it's cool, it's my box, who cares?"

 

[kaserpick]

I wouldn't keep a fish, just cause I don't like fish that much. I have only two in my tank. I'd rather see corals!! I woud agree though that's there not much you could put in so far as fish go, but what I say doesn't really matter...it's just an opinion.

Moving on, I've seen this kind of tank setup, and I thought it was amazing! They had zoas, little shrooms, a feather duster, maybe 2 zebra hermits and cerith. Sexy shrimp would look pretty cool too.

Does anyone know if a neon gobie could thrive in that environment? That's the first fish that came to my mind. Anyway, whatever you choose, I want to see some pics!

 

[Slakker]

I think a neon goby would certainly be better than a clown, IMO, but will still get to ~2 inches...a 1g is really small for any kind of fish to thrive.

Better than a clown that can get up to 4 inches, I guess, but some dwarf hermits, a few of the smaller snail species, and a sexy shrimp or two would be much better suited for a small tank.

 

[Grunt]

Well unfortunately I have kept a clown in this size of a tank. I had a pair of black ocellaris in a JBJ 24gal nano. While on vacation, it blew a corner, from top to bottom. Our house sitter just happened to stop by while water was still leaking. The clowns ended up in a one gallon tank like that one. It was the only other tank we had at the time. Lost all of my corals, and one clown from stress. The remaining clown was named "Survivor". We bought a larger tank while on vacation and brought it back with us.

Eventually we had a pair of Yellow Stripe Clingfish and a very tiny long spined urchin in the tank, but took it down due to algae problems. Everyone was upgraded and doing well. I kept zoas, and ricordia in the 1gal also. The clingfish were not even half an inch btw.
Cheers

 

[pledosophy]

Seems that any fish could swim fast enough upwards to break the surface if it had a reason to...like if it was trying to escape from an unsuitable environment, perhaps.

I'm sorry but that is your opinion, speculation at best, and not a fact. The fact is that many fish are incapable of jumping out of a tank.

Let's take hippocampus reidi for example. The fish is incapable of breaking the surface fo the water with more then 10% or so of it's body (not a scientific measurement) unless it is suffereing from gas bubble disease or unable to regulate it's swim bladder in which case it can float to the top, but not jump out. Continuing with the same fish, given an unsuitable environment, such as being put under anesthetic with clove oil or being euthanized with Ms-222 the fish does not jump out of the water, when the conditions turn unfavorable IME.

I realize a reidi is not a clown, however not all fish can jump. Many fish are notorious for being jumpers like some species of dartfish, pipefish, or gobies. Other fish are less likely to jump, but still capable.

Sorry but IMO the dog analogy is way to much of a stretch. Compared to many dogs natural roaming patterns in the wild, keeping then in a 3 bedroom house with a yard is pretty confining. That doesn't mean the dogs needs cannot be taken care of in a residential dwelling, or that the dog can not be happy there. Compared to the wild, where a small clown most often ends up as food, a 1g tank for a 1/2" fish, free of predators, with a prepared meal deliery service must be kind of nice.

No one is talking about keeping a 4" clown in a 1g tank the discussion is about a 1/2" clown, little different. Also different then a discussion about keeping a pair of clowns and an entire tanks stock of corals in a 1g tank that was setup on the same day. I'm sure Grunt is a very capable keeper, but even with his best efforts there is not many ways that scenario can play out. Sometimes the hardest parts of the hobby are the ones we can't plan for.

I'm not a clown expert, don't claim to be. If you have experience breeding fish, keeping a 1/2" fish in a gallon of water is not really that bad. Check out the tanks of clownfish breeders, open tops, hmmm. Check out there stocking densities too.

I'm not really trying to fight here, but acknowledge there are more ways then one to do things. Your condemming the succsessful experiences of others based on your opinions, rather then your experiences, it's a dangerous practice IMO.

"Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly. " Einstein.

 

[glockcoma]

That tank is BADA$$, maan I hope it works out for you and Ill be tagging along for the ride so keep us posted and more pics, I WILL ONE DAY, HAVE ONE TOO! (if its ok with my boss)

 

[Henry22]

I never meant to come across as a "hater", its just a one gallon is gonna be hard to maintain, especially with the large bioload of a clown.But Im not doubting your ability, I dont know how much experience you have. Just when he gets bigger, move him to something more comfortable. Otherwise, your tank looks pretty good.

 

[Grunt]

Just to clarify my 1gal was running before hand with only zoas and rics. My house sitters had no alternative short of using a bucket or bowl. My corals didnt make it to the 1gal and had no where to go, they died, all of them. When I came home I had to start anew.


Anyways keep us posted.

 

[Jadams]

Good morning, to all..

Whoa!! this thread has definetly gotten some attention since i left work yesterday..hahaha

pledosophy...Thanks for your knowledge and input on this. I appreciate someone else knowing whats going on with this!

glockcoma...Thanks for your reply as well. I will wait about a month or so and post some more pics once I have a few frags and that 4" CLOWN IM GOING TO PUT IN THERE....(LOL....Funny stuff on the internet these days...LOL)

To everyone else who is upset about this tank, so be it. Your all intitled to your own opinions and I respect that. To everyone else who is down for the set up, its fun cheap and a great stress reiever while im supposed to be running new rates for my brokers at work..(hehehe)

When it all boils down to it..this is my tank, and yes i will do what i want with it. If people see it as "inhumane" or whatever else you want to call it thats fine with me. Im not putting a 4" clown in an 9"tank..LOL..if your looking at it like that, you have it all wrong. Fish are known to adapt to there surrondings and only grow as large as their surrondings will let them. When I did this before, the 1/2" clown I put in, didnt grow larger that 3/4" in 1 year. He stayed completely healthy and completely happy in his home. Not one sign of ich, or any other parrasite the whole time. He adapted to his tank and stayed a small fish.

One of my LFS in orange county had one of these 1g reef's set up on there counter by the register for over 2 years!!! And they had it completely stocked end to end, top to bottom with small coral frags, and they had 2 FISH in it. They had a baby clown about 1/2" and (OMG HERE IT COMES>>CALLING THE FISH POLICE RIGHT NOW!!!>>>) a baby Blue tang that was also a bit smaller than 1/2".....Both of which lived harmoneously for almost 2 years together happy as can be.

So it just goes to show you and anyone else who speculates on people doing things differently, it can happen. If you think people havent done things like this before, do your research because they have...

Again for those of you who are interested in the outcome and continued growth of this tank, I will post new pics about a month from now

 

[Jadams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9800260#post9800260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Grunt
Just to clarify my 1gal was running before hand with only zoas and rics. My house sitters had no alternative short of using a bucket or bowl. My corals didnt make it to the 1gal and had no where to go, they died, all of them. When I came home I had to start anew.


Anyways keep us posted.

Sorry to hear about your corals...Its always a good idea to have a few empty buckets in the garage incase of this happening at anytime...Im stocked with buckets and ready for anything like that to happen to my 30g

Thanks for your input aswell!!

 

[Jasontkd]

if you want a small fish, keep the temp a little lower, and get a catalina goby. really colorful fish, and tiny to boot.

 

[ionredline0260]

Man people really do freak out about undersized tanks don't they? I wonder what people would do if they knew I have a clarkii clown, a dragon goby, a chromis, a falcos hawk fish, a coral beauty angel and a dragon wrasse in a 29 gallon.....*whoops*

 

[Rosseau]

It's a tough debate to get into. Rarely does anybody come out a winner. No matter how you slice it, our reef tanks can't even come close to the size of a natural reef in the ocean.

There are minimum sizes needed to sustain life. You could spend your entire life in a 3' x 3' cell and would be perfectly healthy, we all know that. But how do you measure your quality of life? Even harder, how do you measure the fish's quality of life?

Who knows. It's a tough one. Ultimately it's up to the individual to decide what they think is acceptable - if you feel good about it, then go ahead. (that wasn't directed at you Jadams)

 

[Jadams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9801405#post9801405 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rosseau
It's a tough debate to get into. Rarely does anybody come out a winner. No matter how you slice it, our reef tanks can't even come close to the size of a natural reef in the ocean.
Ultimately it's up to the individual to decide what they think is acceptable - if you feel good about it, then go ahead. (that wasn't directed at you Jadams)

No worries...I do agree with you. It is a tough debate that can and will go on forever with this hobby. Im not trying to debate it, just wanted to simply post some pics of my new tank. Thanks for your input aswell Rosseau :beer: