1g Desk Tank @ Work...Pics!

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Hope everything is going well with the tank. No problems at all with a small clown being in there. As long as you have a way to keep the salinity in check then you will be fine.



This however bother me:

Fish are known to adapt to there surrondings and only grow as large as their surrondings will let them.

That is completely un-true. This leads to something called stunting, the internal organs of the fish continue to grow but the outside of the fish remain the same size.




Aside from that though you'll do fine as long as you move the clown once he gets to big.


Good luck.
 
Again, I can't wait to see some pics! By the way, great aquascaping again on you bigger tank (30 gal?). When I switch to a better setup, I'm going to try something using the valley idea. Anyway, thanks for sharing! :)
 
look into eviota goby very nice little fish also neon blue goby very nice little fish that i have had in the past and ate flake or any other food source i put i my tank little pigs they were one was eatten by a crab and the other by a larger fish
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9801837#post9801837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Amoore311

This however bother me:
That is completely un-true. This leads to something called stunting, the internal organs of the fish continue to grow but the outside of the fish remain the same size.




Aside from that though you'll do fine as long as you move the clown once he gets to big.


Good luck.

Thanks for the knowledge..Learn something new everyday on RC. thats exactly what this site is here for! Thanks again!

kaserpick:
Thanks for the aquascaping praise on my 30g. It was hard to set up but once I got it the way i wanted it..I LOVE IT! :)
 
a water bottle with a tube coming out with a small ball valve. Kind of like a drip acclimater and then set the drip.

That's exactly what i have for my 2 gallon hex. I have a neon goby in it and he seems very happy. I personally wouldn't put a neon in a 1 though. I have seen a blenny at my LFS that is supposed to stay really small(1.5in) and they rest on the bottom/rocks most of the day so if you can keep the tank stable one could work. It's a Bimaculatus(Two Spot) Blenny.
Heres a link to a pic..http://www.meerwasser-lexikon.de/images/986.jpg
 
I never said you were going to be adding a 4" clown, just that any species of clown you do put in there is capable of reaching that size. Hippocampus Reidi is a seahorse...yes, technically a fish, but very, very different from Amphiprion Ocellaris, which can and does jump.

Also, most clownfish breeders I know of cover their rearing/growout tanks with eggcrate. And yes, the bio-load is high in a growout tank...that's a given. It's far easier to siphon out waste and uneaten food in a barren tank, plus with growout you're not trying to keep the water quality "Good," just "Survivable."

My concern never was your water quality, but the size of the tank in general. I personally just don't feel that it's adequate for a fish as active as a clown. I have a pair of 1/2" to 3/4" clowns in a 10g QT tank currently, and they use up every inch of it.
 
I was given a 2 gallon deco for free that looks exactly this one. It had a 18 watt
50/50 clamp on lamp..

As far as a top cover goes. Lowes sells Acrylic. I had a piece cut out that fits on the
top perfect. An 8x10 acrylic sheet at Lowes is a $1.99...They will cut it for you too. I
was going to do a 2 gal pico... But Im already doing a custom 16x16x8 acrylic 9 gal
nano and also a 12 gal nano cube.

So I ended up just using this one for my girlfriends betta. It has white sand and a
few freshwater plants. Works great as a little freshwater nano... I also downgraded
the lighting (18 watt is way too bright for a betta..lol) , I made a custom Acrylic light
hood with an 11 watt daylight 6700 and 2 blue leds for moonlights (hes happy!)..
 
Just out of curiousity....if you were looking to put a fish in there, was anything larger completely out of the question? A 5 gallon is pretty small but would gain you some and might help out quite a bit without taking up much more room at all.

I've seen coffee cups in our office bigger than this tank. By the time you get all the stuff in there, you won't even have a full gallon of water.

It just seems like a quite possibly frustrating challenge to me. Especially to leave at an office over a weekend. What about 3-4 day weekends?
 
I dont think Jadams is keeping a clown in the tank, I think he is raising a baby clown and getting it strong and more so sitting on it until it hatches, hah.. RIGHT.. this is a great thread.. anyway pico tanks are awesome and can look amazing if done right..
 
umm... what about you? why 6 line wrasse in 15 gal? isn't it supposed to have 30 gal or bigger? LOLz

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9795592#post9795592 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Henry22
Your being a little ignorant about it, just because most clowns arent jumpers doesnt mean they cant and just because your clown lived for a year doesnt mean it was the right enviroment. If you want a clown, get a ten gallon.
 
If you want to play by what Drs. Foster and Smith say a fish requires, then you'd need a 20 or larger for a clown, which just makes this whole thread even more ridiculous. Keeping a fish in 1/2 of its recommended space is a bit more reasonable than keeping it in 1/20th of it's recommended space.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9801405#post9801405 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rosseau
It's a tough debate to get into. Rarely does anybody come out a winner. No matter how you slice it, our reef tanks can't even come close to the size of a natural reef in the ocean.

There are minimum sizes needed to sustain life. You could spend your entire life in a 3' x 3' cell and would be perfectly healthy, we all know that. But how do you measure your quality of life? Even harder, how do you measure the fish's quality of life?

Who knows. It's a tough one. Ultimately it's up to the individual to decide what they think is acceptable - if you feel good about it, then go ahead. (that wasn't directed at you Jadams)


I agree with this post. It is impossible to measure the quality of life of a fish based solely on the size of the tank it lives in. If the water quality is bad, that's one thing, however if its living conditions are optimal, and then only "concern" is the size of the tank, then it is impossible to judge short of asking the fish.

Technically, no fish should be kept in a tank. All fish should live in the ocean and have unlimited room to move about. Unfortunately this is not the case, and many people decide to put a minimum on tank size.

Some humans are locked up in prison and confined to a life of living in a 10' x 10' x 10' (1000 cubic ft.) cell, usually with another person as well. If we were to relate that idea to fishkeeping, taking into consideration that the average male is, let's say 5'10" tall, that's 11'8" of human per prison cell. That means that you need at least 84 cubic feet per 1 foot of human (aka 1" of fish per gallon). Does that make sense? Of course not. People live where they feel comfortable, and last I checked, prisoners don't die off left and right because they're cell is too small.

Further, contrary to the belief of some, fish are not as intelligent as humans. According to Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" in which a baby human is chained at each arm inside a cave with no light, the baby would grow up and no nothing other than what he can see from where he is. He would not even be aware that his arms were chained. This, relating to fishkeeping, would purport that a fish being kept in a small tank and knowing nothing other than living in a small tank would not cause it stress due to wishing or desiring a larger tank.


Anyway, this was a long rant not meant to go on for so long. Do what you want and what you think is right. My neighbor keeps a 14" arrowana in a 20 gallon tank, and some of the local chinese food places also have 3 LARGE oscars in a 20 gallon as well. The fish have been living there for at least the last 5 years and they're fine.
 
Like you said, it's impossible to tell...how do you know they're fine? Any of these fish could be experiencing stress because they don't have enough room to live comfortably, or as stated earlier, could be stunted. I certainly don't think it would be very comfy to have my internal organs growing while my surroundings limited the growth of my body.

As for the Allegory of the Cave, marine ornamentals are far more sensitive to changing or inadequate environmental factors than people are. That's kinda like saying that if you put a newly hatched clown in freshwater, it would never know the difference and be totally fine. This is obviously not the case.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9808752#post9808752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
As for the Allegory of the Cave, marine ornamentals are far more sensitive to changing or inadequate environmental factors than people are. That's kinda like saying that if you put a newly hatched clown in freshwater, it would never know the difference and be totally fine. This is obviously not the case.

Though I agree that marine organisms are generally less tolerant of change (historically the ocean is much more stable than the land), I'm not so sure about your freshwater analogy.

In the cave there exists all that the human needs to survive. Arguably the same is true for a small marine tank and a clown fish.

The cave analogy says nothing of removing requirements for survival. Placing a clown in freshwater removes the necessary dissolved minerals with which it has adapted to. Your statement is assuming that the cave anecdote has altered a major requirement for human survival, yet I'm not so sure it has.

Anyways, do you think Jadams wants his thread back? Nah.. I'm sure he'll enjoy this when he's back from the ol' 9-5.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9809409#post9809409 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rosseau


Anyways, do you think Jadams wants his thread back? Nah.. I'm sure he'll enjoy this when he's back from the ol' 9-5.

This is what i do while bored and in the office on my 9-5, so im here still :)

Just following along on my thread which has recieved WAY more attention than needed. But it is a great debate. I love the internet!!! CHEERS!
 
It's arguable whether the cave is removing something necessary for human survival or not, I guess. Personally I think that interaction and (relative) freedom is something that we as a species need to survive in any kind of stable or happy state of mind. I don't think any creature would thrive if literally chained down.

Though, my opinions on humanity are just as much speculation as Plato's were :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9807199#post9807199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bladze
umm... what about you? why 6 line wrasse in 15 gal? isn't it supposed to have 30 gal or bigger? LOLz

I know people who had them in 20s with great success, and so I tried one. He was doing great as the only other fish was my goby who didnt bother him, but sadly he passed away while I was on spring break, it snowed here then and when I came back my tank was at 73 degrees. But a clown in a gallon tank?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9810644#post9810644 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
It's arguable whether the cave is removing something necessary for human survival or not, I guess. Personally I think that interaction and (relative) freedom is something that we as a species need to survive in any kind of stable or happy state of mind. I don't think any creature would thrive if literally chained down.

Though, my opinions on humanity are just as much speculation as Plato's were :)

Yes yes, well said. I agree.
 
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