1g Desk Tank @ Work...Pics!

[Jadams]

....I love threads/forums on the internet!!

I honestly...honestly....honestly do respect everyone's opinions on this subject, and do agree with everyone's views on here. But lets try to stray away from all the analogies about caves and being chained to them since birth...LOL

Lets just leave it at this...When I have some more pics in a few weeks, Ill post em. Until then, lets not make any more assumptions about each others knowledge of, and or knowledge lacking on minimum tank size (per liveaquaria) or the ammount of room actually needed for a fish to be happy & healthy.

My soon to be new desk mate will be happy in his new home. No predators, fresh scripts NSW everyother day (dixie cup water changes) and freshly prepared meals all the time.

Pics coming in a few weeks

 

[Batray_Girl]

i've got the purple version of that tank! my blue harlequin lives in it with some mushrooms, A zoo, and a derasa

 

[steelerguy]

I love how people on the freakin internet try to control your freakin life. I might agree that a clown in a 1 gallon is a bit much, but if it's happy and alive who cares? it's your tank, so do what you want. My only fear is that a co-worker looks at it and thinks they can do that same with no experience when infact I doubt they could.

I don't think anyone here is trying to control someones life. You post on a forum for all to comment you get comments.

As far as a clown in a one gallon (minus space the sand and live rock take up)...a human in a prison cell can be perfectly healthy also for much longer than a year and a half. It is a pretty crappy life though and you are not so happy. Good thing you guys can talk to your fish though so you know that they are happy!

 

[vsnsofadrgn]

i have the green version with a sexy shrimp.

 

[burton14e7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9811694#post9811694 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Batray_Girl
i've got the purple version of that tank! my blue harlequin lives in it with some mushrooms, A zoo, and a derasa

It took me a minute to realize that was a harlequin shrimp and not a tusk!


Going on the whole philosophy tangents. Can you prove fish are capable of emotions like happiness? I think they're either physically healthy or not. Health is measurable in fish where as emotion is not. Following the idea that words do not exist and are just memory associations humans used to communicate there is no way to tell if a fish is actually what humans call happy or even capable of what humans call being happy. Though you can tell if a fish has a full stomach and is swimming around activley and if Jadams is able to produce those results in a 1g then I commend him. Otherwise most of the comments in this thread are moot.

 

[Batray_Girl]

Very true. I don't believe that happiness can be measured or even really exists pertaining to fish, but I do use the term very loosely to decribe a healthy, active fish in a suitable environment (which we all know is relative).

However, they do react to pain and can become stressed, sometimes bordering on what seems to be mental distress due to their physical condition.

We've all seen a goldfish in a typical, small petshop bowl and been witness to its pacing and ramming into the glass. Whether it's "happy" or not, it's behavior is indicating that something is wrong. In a case such as that I could understand why someone would say,"That's an unhappy fish."

 

[Jadams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9817383#post9817383 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Batray_Girl
However, they do react to pain and can become stressed, sometimes bordering on what seems to be mental distress due to their physical condition.

This is very true...I definetly agree!

 

[burton14e7]

Agreed, thats where I was going with the being able to measure health but sometimes others can word things better than me

 

[Slakker]

I think that our fish have emotions because we give them the ability to have emotions. If I don't get home to feed my fish right on time, they'll be swimming around right where the food comes. In my mind, they know what's supposed to be happening, and that they are smart enough to wait in the same spot for it every time reinforces that. So, to me, if I don't feed my fish on time, they're either pretty mad, or just plain impatient.

I know, I'm getting back to the philosophy thing again, but if someone really believes their fish are unhappy, maybe they are. what seems silly to one person may be completely real to another, and who are we to really say which one is right?

Personally, I don't think that either of my particular clowns would enjoy life in a 1g tank. Maybe the lil scrapper you get will be cool with his little studio apartment, but mine like the ranch. (Anthropomorphism at its finest )

And even more ridiculously off topic...has anyone ever wondered what babies think before they know words? No one ever questions whether a baby has emotions, because we see behaviors in babies that mirror the emotions we have words for...but can a baby really be "sad" or "cranky" if it doesn't know the words for it?

 

[Doglover_50]

The health and happiness issue is moot, but from a different perspective. My white tiger I keep in a cage in my basement has never been sick and has excellent weight and mobility. So...he must be happy, right? ;-)

Unless we can be unanimous about what is a healthy fish, then it's purely subjective--and since we are human and through cognitive dissonance modify our beliefs rather than behaviors, our ability to be a neutral observer is far from a given--unless you are a marine biology "expert." If we put fish in small tanks, rather than find them new homes, we are likely to say, "Well, I used to think a tang needed at least 70 gallons, but this unicorn tang looks real happy in my 20 gallon tank."

However, how about taking this argument in a more productive direction: Folks, for us nano and pico reefers, who is pushing the envelope and bugging suppliers to find pico fish that CAN work in a 2.5 or 5 gallon tank? They must exist--so why aren't they on the market?

 

[Jadams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9818793#post9818793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Doglover_50
My white tiger I keep in a cage in my basement has never been sick and has excellent weight and mobility. So...he must be happy, right? ;-)

Thats about the DUMBEST thing ive ever heard Doglover_50. There have been some BAD analogies on this thread, but that by far is the most ignorant, and just plan stupid one thrown out there.

Way to go with your $0.02 buddy...LOL

 

[Jadams]

Ps..I hope that didnt come off as mean, but lets not go too far on this subject..we can talk for days and make stuff up about things that dont "fit" in there cages. This thread would NEVER end if that was the case...

 

[burton14e7]

^^^ hater

 

[Jadams]

LOL...I hate you Chris..HAHAHA

 

[Doglover_50]

No worries--it didn't come across as mean--I think the words of John Stewart may describe your post better--in that particular post you were a

"serious d*ck"

My saying that makes me a:
<------------------HATER

It really isn't quite the dumb idea you think, nor a stretch. Please, if you are going to razz anyone, how about the baby in the cave, or comparing your clown in the nano to a human on a life sentence in a cell? ;-)

In fact this issue was up about a month ago here, and the dog stuck in a small apartment and human in a prison cell came up there too. In fact, if you do some investigating in warm states like Arizona or Florida, this is a huge problem, people caging big cats or wild animals as pets who then outgrow their surroundings. How's that different than say, the thread I saw last week on RC in the large reef tank page of some dude with a 150 gallon tank and a nurse shark that was now 3 feet long?

This little thread is just a downward extension to a much smaller fish, but the issues of sticking an animal in an undersized cage are definitely the same.

That said, if it worked for you before, go for it. I'm only saying that you or I are hardly the most objective judge of whether a fish is healthy or happy in a __x___ gallon tank.

 

[Bigmike]

People... stop using analogies to make a point, analogies are not ... "the same thing as". People are always going to argue against any analogy you use, because they are always going to be different in some way.
Do what you want... pis$ people off, or dont pis$ people off, those are your options. No one is going to get mad at you for giving a clown "too big" of an aquarium. If you know that youre pushing the bounds... just be willing to accept the consequential backlash of "haters" and critics. Personally I would like to please everyone so I would not keep a clown in a 1 gal open top tank... but I am not you.

 

[Bigmike]

By the way... nice little tank

 

[Doglover_50]

I guess I deserve that about the analogies. Point taken.

It's the same as when a Democrat and Republican argue. They never agree, the democrata always wants to tell you what you can do and the Republican.......................................................

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Rosseau]

Wow, I just had a good chuckle to myself there about all of these postings. We're closing in on 100 posts in a matter of days!

I was on here earlier in the day, typed out a reply to some of the philosophical type ideas being put out there and then proceeded to delete my paragraph. I didn't want to stray too far from the intended subject.

However, now that I'm finished my exams and about 9/10ths of the way to being loaded out of my tree I'm happy to type away.

I think some (not all) of the analogies are useful. They are useful because we tend to equate fish (and most things non-human, um, unless they are "cute", like baby seals) with inanimate objects devoid of feeling. These analogies help to.... bah. screw it. I'm out to the bar. Cheers everyone!!!!!!!


:beer:

 

[reefin'aggie]

Second the bar. Nice little setup and can't wait to see how it progresses.

Cheers!!!

Jacob