2.5 gallon tank

Wow, just got reading all this stuff after joining the board. Just filled my new 2.5 gal. with live rock. Been out of reef keeping for about the last ten years.
Just for fun I opened up my copy of Advanced Reef Keeping, by Albert Thiel. Most of you kids are way to young to know who he is. Back in the late 80's he was the guy you went to for info on how to keep mini reefs. It is interesting to note that back then, nobody was setting up Mini reefs with less than 55 gallon with a 20 gallon sump. The more the water the better. The point being that since then stuff has gotten better, knowledge has grown and people tried things. Because of that we now have folks setting up 2.5 gallon reefs. Who would have thought. How much coral died at the hands of those who first tried their had at the small tank.
Not much different to me than this guy trying a fish in the 2.5. That's what science does. Push the limits to see what the results might be. If nobody did that we would all be looking at little bowls with pretty orange goldfish.

JR
 
JR: (sounds like I am talking to myself) It isnt about pushing the edges, which I feel an expienced hobbiest can do, it is about a inexperienced hobbist being reckless with life and to be stubbon and ignorant to listen to people's warnings. There was no attempt for the thread starter to even listen to the suggestions nor understand the limitations. Greed/Ignroance was the reason for this tank. Now while I still am against putting a clown and anemone in a 2.5 gallon, there is another thread about a father with 15y of experience and his son doing this as their first tank. Now here is where science may be progressing. This thread is where ignorance drives off the cliff.

I do think this thread is useful but there was a lot of burnt rubble to work through, but I guess that is what happens when inexperience and stupidity meets knowledge and understanding. Thus the war waged, but knowledge can be learned from it.
 
Wow, I think all of you guys should get a second job as comedians. Bascerpharm4 don't be discouraged. But you might want to consider corals only, not trying to be a jerk though. At my lfs they have a 2.5 and it is full of nice colorful corals. You did a good job on the build. Good luck.
 
I have had a 2.5 with 2 fish and one crab and 2 snails for over a year. Not to mention all the corals in it too. It has less problems than my 40gallon!
 
Actually, I do recall reading recently something from Jack Wattley doing an experiment involving rearing discus fry in intentionally heavily populated environments. I believe it was in TFH a few months back. I've been trying to find the article in regards to studying the effects of such high populations as dispelling the common newb myth of overpopulating or keeping fish in too small of a tank to "stunt" their growth.

It was interesting, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. =/

And, I do agree, the father/son tank is pretty sweet looking, especially fascinating since they use an airstone/pump for water circulation. It's a very unique looking set-up, and I'd agreed with anyone suggesting to check it out. Beauty of a pico tank.
 
"but I guess that is what happens when inexperience and stupidity meets knowledge and understanding. Thus the war waged"


when knowledge and understanding are involved there shouldn't be a war

i don't remember any of the names here that were all in this argument, but there was one or two of you that were very rude, and in my own perception, quite stupid. Yet you say you went to college. I think either you are lieing, or you only went to school to have a good job and make money, and not for the education. And that is evident in the way you talk to people you don't even know.
 
Fiddler, I truly wish with my heart your statement was true and wisdom could always avoid war, or at least a really nasty argument in this case. The word "Understanding" is really miss used and should really be "technical knowledge" forgive my linguistic ambiguity. However, I do believe that ignorance should not be spread on forums. I am not saying that a difference of an informed opinion should not be limited but it is the "informed philosopher’s" or experienced hobbist's mission to promote truth and defend it against sophism and pure ignorance. When there is wisdom on both sides, wars (Nasty Arguments) can be avoided even if they are heated, both sides will refrain from personal attacks. When there is stupidity, then knowledge should try an eliminate it.
 
it seems members with more post counts are against putting fish in a 2.5 and those with less posts think it's just fine. i wonder if their is any correlation?

(disclaimer- there are obviously many smart people with low counts and "less than smart" people with huge posts counts but in general . . . . )
 
interresting observation. My reasoning is that people with more posts have been on the forum longer, read more and are likely to have been in the hobby for a longer time. While there are many "newbies" (for the lack of the term) to reef central, it is a mix of both truely new and experience. Obviously if Sprung joned RC today, I would have more posts but far less knowledge (although I am currently working on that). Likewise, LTLights, we are roughly the same amount of posts, almost identical in the years in the hobby (both FW, cichlids and SW) but you joined about 2.5 years before me. Even our tank choices are similar, strange enough. Although post count, years in the hobby and other factors might not be perfect in judging the talent of the reefkeeper, (Eli, the 5yo is far better that me by the looks of it =) people need to listen to the warning/suggestions of a lot of expeience people and not defend rather poor decisions with such zeal. True, always push the hobby and the knowledge of the world farther, but lets us do it in a non-reckless manner. Peace!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9243656#post9243656 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rosseau
good luck to you. I hope you come around, we're all pulling for you.
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Don't worry about "pulling for this guy", sounds like he's already pulling on himself pretty hard.
 
poorcollegereef-

that is exactly what i was saying- you just did it much kinder and more eloquently than i would have.

my bet is that this thread gets shut down very soon.
 
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1046695

It is really quite nice. Interresting and for me it is more important to promote a new curiosity than harp on size ethics with this new hobbist especially since he has a good teacher by the looks of it. I still dont promote the practice if picos with fish, but hey, there are somethings that are more important, like furthering the interrests of the future generations in the current hobby. Hey, it was my father who got me my first tank after all.
 
thanks for the civilized reply poorcollegereef, lol it's a rare thing it is, and i'm glad you thought about what i said and came up with a conclusion rather than assuming i was saying "your wrong and stupid!" and yes i agree the word was miss used, the problem with stopping ignorance ona forum is that it seems hard to say "no you shouldn't do that" without someone feeling personally attacked
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9259724#post9259724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fiddler
the problem with stopping ignorance on a forum is that it seems hard to say "no you shouldn't do that" without someone feeling personally attacked
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that's worth repeating
 
Fiddler: You are more than welcome, I enjoyed reading your posts and are always up for any friendly debate.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9259724#post9259724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fiddler
the problem with stopping ignorance on a forum is that it seems hard to say "no you shouldn't do that" without someone feeling personally attacked
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I will repeat it for a third time =D
Quite a reasonable, thoughtful and correct idea. But it leads to a new problem; how to say "that’s not a good idea and you should not do that" without making it appear as a personal attack. I think it is possible to at least limit bad practices. But, the problem is within the language and how it is understood. I think for many people who have been on the forum for a while, they have learned the language "norm" and can understand when a post is more of a non-personal suggestion/critique, new people might not understand this social reef norm. There might be regional differences in communication as well. It is not just RC, but I have seen this at LFS and in life as well. It is difficult to tell someone "that putting the clowns with a lion is a bad idea" without insulting them. Some people can understand the reasons while others are blinded by their own self satisfaction will continue to push the issue. Like a child who is told they can‘t eat candy for breakfast, things can resemble a temper tantrum with the defensive side saying “I am going to do it anyways!”. This only furthers people saying NO! But like a child, we know that allowing this type of self serving, short sided behavior will rarely result in good. This leaves us back to the paradox: to fight ignorance or to permit it. Both have negative sides, but I feel that addressing it in a positive manner is the best option. Maybe there needs to be a disclaimer that “it is not a personal attack but…” but likewise one should also recognize there are discoveries made and advancement achieved when someone breaks from the cast in a informed action. Provide the light of information in the darkest errors, but be humble, this may be the best solution.

:beer: cheers!
 
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