20 Gallon Sps?

The stand should always be big enough to accommodate your sump/refugium with room to work under. As for a tank, have you looked elsewhere? There are many places that do glass work. I don't know anything about custom made tanks so i cant help you there. The mp10 will be the best thing you ever invested in.
 
Ugh. This 20 gallon is a pain. Now they are saying they cant even custom a 20 gallon build with a built in overflow. Lol. They said I can return all my stuff I bought from them and start over if I want. What a pain!
 
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Like I said you should start with a little bigger tank, even a 40B would be good or a 56g. A metal halide would be a better choice for lighting the the 4 bulb t5. All the equipment you have will work on a 40B. As for a skimmer if you dont have one yet a RO NW110 will work well and is not to expensive, save money instead of buying a custom tank get a better light and skimmer.
 
Lol, OKay so the 20 didnt work out. I am now doing a 65 gallon tank. Equipment is follows:

1x Vortech mp40w
1x TLF 150 w/ biopellets
Eheim-jager 200 watt heater
Bubble Magus Dosing Pump
36 inch 2x 150 Watt HQI/R7S HID 4x 39 Watt Aquatic Life light
Mag 7 return line
Reef Octopus 4 Protein skimmer
20 Gallon Sump
65 Gallon Tank with stand
65 pounds of live rock
114 lbs of live sand

What do you guys think? Good for growing SPS? What would you change or suggest?
 
What dimensions are the tank? I would say thats a great equipment list for the beginings of a sps tank! Keep us posted. Oh and if the tank is more than 16" deep you may want to step up to 250w bulbs on the ligthing. It may put you over the top heat wise with a mag 7 and large skimmer pump though.
 
Its around that depth. But I will have a 4 inch dsb. So I would think those lights would be fine. Also ill be ordering an ato from auto top off.com lol. Almost forgot about that.
 
Why do you say that? If you properly maintain your tank, IMO they are a good asset to have.

Agreed,if properly implemented and cared for over time there is absolutely nothing wrong with a DSB, you just have to treat it as a primary filter instead of a "part" of your filtration. If you plan to follow trends and carbon dose or zeo or any other type of system then DSB would be the wrong way to go. But, if setup right from the start and good numbers of micro/macro fauna added occasionally along with replacing some of the sand on a scheduled basis then they work AMAZINGLY well. I reccomend not doing 4" as that is on the verge of being in the danger zone for denitrification. It may not be deep enough for sufficent numbers of anoxic zones but too deep for nitrification to take place efficiently.

You should read up on it more to make sure you implement it properly and know its strength and weaknesses.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...h_mKAg&usg=AFQjCNHrEpo8-cIjQ-zD8g53TrJJ0rvQdA

Thats a good place to start. Google "deep sand bed" and get a pot of coffee. Read until you fully understand it and have the means to set it up and maintain it.
 
If I would start new tank I will never go with DSB for SPS dominated tank. I wouldn't even pick the shallow sand bad. Will go with epoxy (if you want to have a look) or BB. You will have hard time to fight phosphate in your tank with DSB and your flow will always be limited by it (you dont want to have sand storm in your tank). Plus as Chris stated when you go with DSB you cant run ULNS (zeo, carbon dosing etc) they way it suppose to run. Why do you want to limit yourself (in the future) from the very start?
 
Is npx bioplastics media considered carbon dosing? Also why is carbon dosing bad for a tank with a dsb bed? I am vodka dosing on my 72 gallon right now. It has dsb and I have had no problems.
 
NICE 65gal! I wish my landlord would let me upgrade. If you want to do a DSB make it a remote DSB so if something goes wrong you can remove it.
 
Is npx bioplastics media considered carbon dosing? Also why is carbon dosing bad for a tank with a dsb bed? I am vodka dosing on my 72 gallon right now. It has dsb and I have had no problems.

You can, but its difficult to get to a balanced state where you lower nutrients but still provide enough to feed the dsb. The point of a dsb is to have a true BIOfilter where you use a natural means to eliminate nitrate and phosphate. The animals biomass is where the nutrients are stored and converted to less harmful substances. Then the aerobic bacteria convert their wastes to nitrate that feeds the anerobic bacteria which turns it into nitrogen gas that can then escape to the atmosphere. Its a VERY efficent means a export. The only issue is that the critters will tend to end up as a very small group of only one or two types due to their ability to outcompete others. This is a bad thing as biodiversity is the key to effective processing of nutrients so you need to boost the diversity from time to time with either live sand from someone elses tank or one of the "critter packages" on the internet.

As to the phosphate issue, since phosphate cannot be turned into a gasous form it has to be stored in the biomass itself and within the sand grains themselves. Phosphate attaches to the sand grains and is effectively "removed" from the water column. This is the "ticking timebomb" issue. Its a fact that there is a saturation point where no more phosphates can be stored so the water begins to absorb it back via diffusion(ie if the water itself contains more phosphate than the sand, the sand will absorb it. If the sand has more phosphate in it than the water, the water will absorb it.) so you need to siphon off a portion of the sand and replace it with new on a scheduled basis. You can tell when this needs to be done by keeping track of free phosphate via testing but its easier to just replace some bianually or quarterly that way you dont need to be as diligent with testing.

Sand size is VERY important. It needs to be as small as possible to not allow detritus to build up in it and also to allow worms and gasses to pass through the channels the worms create. There is an issue with having rock sitting directly on top of the sand. These areas cannot be turned over by the worms so theres a risk of these areas becoming sulphur zones and compacting and clumping up or even getting hard as a rock not allowing these areas to diffuse. So I tend to agree that DSB's are best used remotely with no rock on top of it...intank can be done but there are more risks with this.

Also, you have to make sure you dont have predators of the plankton in the tank that will reduce their numbers significantly, another good reason to have it remote...

lol, i want my dsb in my main display though. I dont want BB or shallow. I think DSB looks nice.

See above and use the search function for "in-tank DSB" to make sure you understand the risks of this and ways to prevent problems. As others have said a big problem is flow in an sps dominated tank blowing fine grain sand. This WILL cause problems with a DSB. You do not want to stir the sand up, the critters should be the ones doing this to prevent large amounts of nitrogen and sulfer gases from being released all at once. If this is your first reef tank I reccomend a shallow sand bed in the main tank unless you are really familiar with DSB's by reading til your head hurts. Youll have a more forgiving tank that way. Try out the DSB in a section of your sump that can be taken offline if problems arise.
 
I don't see how I can do a remote sandbed with a 20 gallon sump, with all the previously mentioned equipment. Any suggestions? Also, how can u guys stand a tank with no sand in it? It just looks so unnatural.
 
lol, i want my dsb in my main display though. I dont want BB or shallow. I think DSB looks nice.

This is the fist I here someone says DSB looks nice. I didnt mentioned this point in my first post but here it is - it looks really bad. The thick sides which initially bite off 5'' (above your frame) of your display becomes gray/black/purple/green mold like in no time and you 'dont supposed to touch it per pure DSP idea. Again We do what we think is going to work for our system and if its DSB shell be it! But saying it looks good... no way.
 
make that a shallow sand bed. lol. what type of sand is least likely to blow around with the vortech mp40 in the tank while still providing a decent substrate for my tank?
 
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