30 Gal Oceanic Cube or 29 Gal Biocube for Seahorses?

sharla1234

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Have a buyer for my 75. Now I have to decide whether to get a 30 Gallon Oceanic cube & decide which skimmer & filter to add or get a 29 Gallon Oceanic biocube & integrate a Tunze skimmer???
Planning about 6 horses.
I'm thinking biocube will be less expensive.
Advise is welcomed!!
S.
 
Thanks for all the advise. If I go w/the 30 cube, I've decided on a "backpack" skimmer. What filter should I use? Be brand specific & in addition to that, what else should I use? I have a 9 watt coralife UV.
Worried about the tank being an eyesore with everything hanging off it.
Also trying to be as economical as possible???????
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8364244#post8364244 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sharla1234
Thanks for all the advise. If I go w/the 30 cube, I've decided on a "backpack" skimmer. What filter should I use? Be brand specific & in addition to that, what else should I use? I have a 9 watt coralife UV.
Worried about the tank being an eyesore with everything hanging off it.
Also trying to be as economical as possible???????

Yes The UV is not exaclty the most appealing thing in the world. I had one on my 29 and i just took it off because i found it wasn't really nescessary. As far as filters, You could go filterless.... I have no mechanical filter on my 29 right now, however i am going to get a little tiny whisper power filter because there is a lot of debris floating arround. IMO that would be enough if you have a good skimmer. Also, you could do a hang on back refugium and add macros to supply your tank nutrient export and a steady supply of amphipods for your horses... And then there is the option of the all in one skimmer and fuge....

If i were you I would go to someplace like Liveaquaria or Marine depot and look at the different filters/skimmers/fuges/whatever and find out what will suit your needs and your budget.
 
Whatnot45,
I want to make sure my tank is horse appropriate. Scared not to get a filter. Thought I'd put some LR in for biological.
Why would you not do a UV to prevent problems?
Also, the cube would not have fans to keep it cooler; how do you keep it cool enough?
 
Sharla, your choice of lighting will have a lage effect on temperature issues. Depending on what else you plan to keep with your horses, you may only need 30-40w of lighting over your tank.

I too do not think UV is a requirement for keeping horses. If you keep a reasonable fish load, have good nutrient export (skimmer, macro algae, water changes etc.) it is not needed.

In my mind, a good fefugium is an absolute must. Sehorses have a limited diet in captivity (frozen mysis) and the live food a refugium provides is an important (critical in my mind) boost in nutrition. Good nutrition means your horses are much more resistant to disease pathogens.

Fred
 
Unless you get a temperate species like pot bellies(the tank would be too small for them anyway) I don't think it would get too hot.
Do you know the dimensions of that tank? The 30 cube? I'm thinking of getting seahorses again since hopefully I am done moving.

Jill
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8372369#post8372369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sharla1234
Whatnot45,
I want to make sure my tank is horse appropriate. Scared not to get a filter. Thought I'd put some LR in for biological.
Why would you not do a UV to prevent problems?
Also, the cube would not have fans to keep it cooler; how do you keep it cool enough?

Well honestly my horses got infections even with my UV sterilzer. I dont think the 9 watt was powerful enough to kill off the bacteria/ fungi... And the thing was really ugly hanging on my tank with tubes hanging out so i just stuck it in the grage w/ all my other unused equiptment.
 
Whatnot didn;t your seahorses get infections after periods of malnutrition and severe temperature spikes? A UV will not help with that.

UV's are cool. I like my 18w. They are not required equipment by any means, but nice to have. They will kill bacteria and are most effective when run with a prefilter. If there is no prefilter they are more harm then good IMO.

If your worried about all the equipment, get a sump :D

For filters I'd go with a Fluval 304 which can be used as the prefilter for the UV, or Magnum HOB cannister filter.

IMO you could get 2 pairs of seahorses in a 30g tank if you have adaquete mechanical and biological filtration.

For temp I would shoot for 74. I used a clip on fan pointed at the surface of the water to keep my temps down worked great. Did have to increase the amount of top off water.
 
Pledosophy,
What size tank do you have? From everything I read, I understand I could have six in a 30 gal. (1 pair per 10 gal.).
Do you think my 9 watt uv would work on a 30 gal cube?
Also, what about a backpack skimmer w/ one of the filters you mentioned?
I want to take all the proper precautions on the front end of this adventure. I have been very successful w/ my 135 reef & have a UV on it as well.
 
Using a hard rule of x horses to y gallons is not the best way to approach stocking a tank.

Stocking density really depends on two things: the nutrient processing capacity of your tank: the space requirements of your fish/horses.

A tank with skimmer, deep sand bed, refugium full of algae and reasonably sized weekly water changes will support infinitely more horses than a tank with no sand bed, skimmer, refugium...

In the wild, horses have territories between 300 and 1,000 sq feet. Thats somewhere between the size of a large bedroom and an apartment or small house. Lots of room for such a small critter. Now, they do not defend their territories and territories are known to overlap, but still...

If you are going to put six in a 30g, I would start with one pair and make sure the tank's capacity to process nutrients is ramped up before adding more.

To give you an example of what will happen to your water when you add your horses, I added 3 to a 40g tank (no skimmer) with live rock, a sand bed, and a small amount of macro algae, that had been set up for 4 months to adequately cycle.

Within several weeks my nitrates had gone from undetectable to 20 mg/l. Nitrites never showed as measurable, so I had a good bacterial population established to process them. Nitrates at that level are not a concern in the short term, but I would not want them that high in the long run.

After adding a rather large refugium (40g :eek1: )and as the macro algae started to grow my nitrates slowly reduced to undetectable.

So, consider the needs of your horses, the biological processing capacity of your tank, and go slow.

Fred
 
Fredfish,
I am definately not planning to add horses at once, as I don't add more than one fish at once in my reef, because of the same reasons & various others.
Would the nitrate situation have been not so severe had you added one or two instead of three in a 40 all at once? And if you'd had a skimmer, that probably would have helped wouldn't it?
S
 
Yes a skimmer would have made a difference as would adding fewer horses at once. I used my situation as an example to show what happens when you increase the bioload on a tank.

Mak71. The tank can be whatever shape you want. A 20 gallon tank is a little small. The 30 would be nice.

Fred
 
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